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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:38:49 -0400
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On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v4tfnl$1ons5$2@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v4t1nu$1ig6v$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v4s1kl$1c3jr$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>>      trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934
> 
>>>>>>>>>>  From wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of
>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are collectively
>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns:
>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot,
>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger.
>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such
>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively,
>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in
>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of
>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are
>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10]
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose
>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far more
>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as you
>>>>>>> can be yet again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of
>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page statutes
>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of administrative
>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near-
>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a
>>>>>>> piece of software.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's "spirit", then
>>>>>>> none of that would be necessary.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons to
>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself, I'd climb
>>>>>>> your ego and jump to your IQ.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic machine
>>>>>> gun?
>>>>>
>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull
>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire multiple
>>>>> rounds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is significantly
>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto.
>>>>
>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie?
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc
>>>
>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the bump
>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the trigger
>>> after every round.
>>
>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire.
> 
> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as
> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more
> efficiently.
> 
> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine
> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is
> actually irrelevant to the issue.

Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary can do an 
end-run around even the clearest legislative intent.