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From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: "Drakon" by S. M. Stirling
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2024 15:15:03 -0400
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James Nicoll wrote:
> In article <v4ul1p$7ud$1@reader1.panix.com>,
> James Nicoll <jdnicoll@panix.com> wrote:
>> In article <2g957j5m5qfpevnuuojggu1d98la2vgrpv@4ax.com>,
>> The Horny Goat  <lcraver@home.ca> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 15:36:21 -0400, William Hyde
>>> <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> However, Ontario also received a number of "delayed loyalists", i.e.
>>>> Americans attracted by free land, well after the war(1).  As these
>>>> proved far from loyal to the British in the war of 1812(2), perhaps your
>>>> grandmother had a point.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I've never seen a source that suggested land in modern day southern
>>> Ontario was free though it was a fraction (I've read 1/3) of what the
>>> US was selling land for in what is now the Midwest.
>>>
>>> Again - in British eyes there were enough of them that it was felt to
>>> be a security threat in the region between London (ON) and York (now
>>> Toronto) though in the event these settlers chose loyalty to their
>>> land rather than to their former country.
>>
>> Yeah, to the 1812 invaders' enormous surprise, you can't win hearts
>> and minds by setting fire to people's homes.
> 
> So, while there's no UE or American Invasion of 1812 About Which
> They Would Later Lie Shamelessly stories in the Canadian side of
> my family, my aunt had a rather astonishing claim that we were
> related to Upper Canada's Bishop Strachan, a stalwart figure who
> played a central role in the Upper Canada Rebellion... by being
> such a consumate dick (along with the rest of the Family Compact
> that ran Upper Canada back then) that he helped provoke it.
> 
> Well, you can't have heroes without villains.
> 
> What makes the claim eye-brow-raising is that Bishop Strachan
> was very very Anglican, whereas my mother's family were very
> very Catholic. How you bridge godless heretics to Catholics,
> I don't know.


In the mid-1800s there was a tendency among conservative Anglicans to 
pull a Newman.  Perhaps one of Bishop S's descendants did so.

As it happens I know a great-great nephew of the Cardinal.  The family 
is not Catholic.

I have reason to believe that one of my great-grandfathers, about as 
pro-Catholic as Torquemada was pro-Jewish, to have been born Catholic.


People change. And then deny that they did so, as often as not.


William Hyde