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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 11:52:17 -0400
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On 6/19/2024 7:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v4vgil$258cf$1@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/19/2024 3:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v4v8ug$23o16$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/19/2024 12:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v4uvta$21spc$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v4t2ai$1imbc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>      "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ST. LOUIS (AP) - A judge has expunged the misdemeanor convictions
>>>>>>>>> of a St. Louis couple who waved guns at racial injustice protesters
>>>>>>>>> outside their mansion in 2020. Now they want their guns back.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had no idea that four years later, this still hadn't happened.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was a gated community, which are all over St. Louis. They were
>>>>>>>> trespassing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Apparently 'trespassing' is a meaningless term when you're doing it for
>>>>>>> 'social justice'.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't you even *pretend* there's a built-in tug-of-war between
>>>>>> "trespassing" and "peaceable assembly"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe in a public place like a university quad, but not in a private
>>>>> residential neighborhood.
>>>>
>>>> Under the presumption that each point of view must give some ground
>>>
>>> Why would you presume that?
>>
>> Why would you presume I presume it, especially after I've explicitly
>> labeled it a 'presumption'?
> 
> If you're not presuming it and I'm not presuming it and the courts
> hearing the case in St. Louis didn't presume it, what was your point in
> bringing it up here?
> 
>>>> I'd say that the protesters' rights depend on history, geometry, etc.
>>>
>>> I'd say (and I'd be right) that no protester has rights to come onto my
>>> private property at all. I'm the only one who gets to decide who's
>>> allowed and who isn't. It's pretty much in the definition.
>>
>> So, e.g., we can suspend the right of peaceable assembly by temporarily
>> transferring public property rights to some private party...
> 
> What does such a fanciful scenario have to do with what's under
> discussion here? St. Louis didn't temporarily sell a public
> street/neighborhood to the residents of the neighborhood for purposes of
> thwarting the BLM protest. That neighborhood had always been private
> property, including the streets, since it was built decades ago.

The 'fanciful scenario' illustrates that (as usual) absolutist positions 
on non-mathematical issues are untenable.  To afford protesters *and* 
property owners meaningful rights, something's eventually gotta give.