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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple Date: Thu, 20 Jun 2024 21:41:30 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 102 Message-ID: <v52loa$2usni$3@dont-email.me> References: <B7WcnT_drY_sm-_7nZ2dnZfqnPGdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v51j7g$2kkd7$3@dont-email.me> <atropos-2D68A3.09340520062024@news.giganews.com> <v51v78$2n6c1$1@dont-email.me> <1oucnSidyL1gBun7nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 03:41:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="135701bad7255964217cc25f17b69a9f"; logging-data="3109618"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18UiSYrYfp51fb+1GUgbVD5" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:YTWNXOnRew46RKokCBnZF8B5VO8= In-Reply-To: <1oucnSidyL1gBun7nZ2dnZfqn_UAAAAA@giganews.com> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 6020 On 6/20/24 5:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > On Jun 20, 2024 at 12:16:56 PM PDT, "moviePig" <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: > >> On 6/20/2024 12:34 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> In article <v51j7g$2kkd7$3@dont-email.me>, >>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 6/19/2024 7:15 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>> In article <v4vgil$258cf$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On 6/19/2024 3:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>> In article <v4v8ug$23o16$2@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/19/2024 12:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>> In article <v4uvta$21spc$2@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4t2ai$1imbc$1@dont-email.me>, >>>>>>>>>>> "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ST. LOUIS (AP) - A judge has expunged the misdemeanor convictions >>>>>>>>>>>>> of a St. Louis couple who waved guns at racial injustice protesters >>>>>>>>>>>>> outside their mansion in 2020. Now they want their guns back. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I had no idea that four years later, this still hadn't happened. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> It was a gated community, which are all over St. Louis. They were >>>>>>>>>>>> trespassing. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Apparently 'trespassing' is a meaningless term when you're doing it >>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>> 'social justice'. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Don't you even *pretend* there's a built-in tug-of-war between >>>>>>>>>> "trespassing" and "peaceable assembly"? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Maybe in a public place like a university quad, but not in a private >>>>>>>>> residential neighborhood. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Under the presumption that each point of view must give some ground >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Why would you presume that? >>>>>> >>>>>> Why would you presume I presume it, especially after I've explicitly >>>>>> labeled it a 'presumption'? >>>>> >>>>> If you're not presuming it and I'm not presuming it and the courts >>>>> hearing the case in St. Louis didn't presume it, what was your point in >>>>> bringing it up here? >>>>> >>>>>>>> I'd say that the protesters' rights depend on history, geometry, etc. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'd say (and I'd be right) that no protester has rights to come onto my >>>>>>> private property at all. I'm the only one who gets to decide who's >>>>>>> allowed and who isn't. It's pretty much in the definition. >>>>>> >>>>>> So, e.g., we can suspend the right of peaceable assembly by temporarily >>>>>> transferring public property rights to some private party... >>>>> >>>>> What does such a fanciful scenario have to do with what's under >>>>> discussion here? St. Louis didn't temporarily sell a public >>>>> street/neighborhood to the residents of the neighborhood for purposes of >>>>> thwarting the BLM protest. That neighborhood had always been private >>>>> property, including the streets, since it was built decades ago. >>>> >>>> The 'fanciful scenario' illustrates that (as usual) absolutist positions >>>> on non-mathematical issues are untenable. To afford protesters *and* >>>> property owners meaningful rights, something's eventually gotta give. >>> >>> Protesters have NO rights on other people's private property. Nothing >>> has to give there. >> >> Why do you think protesters need an explicit Constitutional right to >> protest, if not because of conflict with other "rights"? > > There is no conflict with private property rights in the 1st Amendment's right > of assembly. It's simply not contemplated that it would even be a question > that strangers have a right to trespass on your property so long as they're > 'protesting'. > > Just as there's no right to "unlawful use of a weapon", which is a felony. The complaint said that both had displayed their semi-automatic weapons "readily capable of lethal use, in an angry or threatening manner". To which the McClosky's pleaded guilty. -- On May 30, 2024 Donald J. Trump was unanimously convicted on 34 felony counts in New York City... so I took this picture in my side yard. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0 "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0