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From: Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com>
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Subject: Re: Chinese semiconductors
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 16:09:42 +0300
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On 6/21/2024 15:11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Fri, 21 Jun 2024 13:41:42 +0300) it happened Dimiter_Popoff
> <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote in <v53ld7$34ang$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 6/19/2024 23:47, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 17:49:28 -0000 (UTC), Cursitor Doom
>>> <cd999666@notformail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 07:48:46 -0700, john larkin wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 14:35:28 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On a sunny day (Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:18:42 -0700) it happened john larkin
>>>>>> <jl@650pot.com> wrote in <9jl57jl75daa4rull8cpc0ung6hvbtkl5s@4ax.com>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 08:53:34 -0400, legg <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Jun 2024 13:00:23 -0700, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/major-chinese-
>>>> semiconductor-company-goes-bankrupt-23-others-recently-withdrew-ipo-ap
>>>>>>>>> plications
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Good grief. Crazy numbers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 10,000 bankruptcies representing only 1 in 5 start-ups for the year.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sounds like a normal ratio.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> RL
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea of any country "registering" 50,000 semiconductor companies in
>>>>>>> one year is absurd.  It's the same corrupt fad dynamics as the Chinese
>>>>>>> real-estate scam.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Communism always becomes savage and corrupt and inefficient.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I do not see it that way.
>>>>>> Making crap and selling it at taxpayers cost is typical US Boing
>>>>>> Starliner leaking Helium and has their astronuts stuck in space,
>>>>>> ... Boing airplanes that fsll apart and killed hundreds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Airbus planes have killed people too.
>>>>>
>>>>> The two nasty 737 crashes were a combination of bad control system desgn
>>>>> and bad piloting, not things falling apart.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> other dangerous products such as vaccins against virusses produced by
>>>>>> the same US,
>>>>>> worshipping criminals againt humanity like DRRRRR FAUlty it suffers from
>>>>>> a milli-tary industrial complex that makes crap noisy shit airplanes
>>>>>> that pollute the skies here: F35, an ever raising debt, more than a
>>>>>> third world country,
>>>>>> a basically 2 party sustem that gives people the worst of both,...
>>>>>> A war mongering bunch killing people all over the world Totally corrupt
>>>>> >from top to bottom and proud of it.
>>>>>> An IQ that gete lower and lower...
>>>>>> dolly no longer coupled to gold value, just shit paper.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's really the wrong environment for inventing and developing
>>>>>>> electronics.
>>>>>>> The US has lots of started-small innovative tech companies, some of
>>>>>>> which are world-dominant now. I see a some of that in the UK and
>>>>>>> Ireland and a bit in France and the Netherlands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The sequence matters. Some outfits start with ideas and eventually make
>>>>>>> a lot of money. Some start with a heap of invested money, have no
>>>>>>> original ideas, and fail.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The sequence is that the US empire will soon cease to exist.
>>>>>> West coast was always part of China  :-)
>>>>>> More info in 'planets of the apes'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US hates it own people, puts sanctions on cheap good Chinese products
>>>>>> and increases taxes so its war mongering industry has jobs, better just
>>>>>> give them the money they steal from the taxpayers directly...
>>>>>> Even better have them make products that benefit people.
>>>>>> That will save lives worldwide covid makers!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> US just an other ant-heap in decline, fire ants at that...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Darwin applies, bye bye US, byethen [buythen] and club,
>>>>>> Get the fuck out of Europe war mongering shitheads!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> How are your Russian lessons coming along?
>>>>
>>>> Jan is right about the propensity of the US to go into unnecessary and
>>>> unjustifiable conflicts around the world, though.
>>>
>>> We should have stayed out of WWI and WWII. The history of europe is
>>> millenia of warfare. We should stay out of the current one too.
>>>
>>
>> Probably a bad idea in the long run. The people making these decisions
>> are not stupid and forecasting the consequences of say Hitler having had
>> all Europe must have been evaluated etc.
>> Then "staying out of all conflicts" is also counterproductive for the
>> defence capabilities. Without trained and *experienced* personnel the US
>> can no longer be the superpower it is. Losing this status is hardly
>> affordable. What they can do is pick the "right" conflicts
>> to get involved in.
>> As for the Russian whining how capitalism - and the the US - will rot to
>> its death - well, they have been whining that for well over a century
>> by now, it is outright moronic to be pro-Kremlin; not many of that
>> kind in the group but astonishingly we do have one, and he is not a
>> stupid person at all.
> 
> Russia has a different history
> After killing Hitler they were then sending a beeping spacecraft orbiting earth (Sputnik)
> US wanted that too. took them years..
> Same for MIR space station, now ISS
> US looks dead to me in space,
> was watching NASA TV (satellite) yesterday for an hour or so to see what
> they would do about those astronuts stuck due to helium leaks in that starliner capsule..
> No word of it, endles stuff about their man on the moon and how astronuts from the Apollo 13 mishap were rescued..
> Sure they got to the moon and back in the seventies... since then US has fallen way back technologically
> Lots of crap about AI ..it is just a game, by the time US kids learn from AI its all over :-).
> Now more religious crap: the ten commandments in public schools.
> And that is a state filled with mass-murderers like Faulty and a half senile president selling weapons to some jews
> that are worse than Hitler it seems.
> You should see the starving kids in that Palestinian area, just bones... never seen anything like that
> Al Jazeera satellite this morning (and even they are prohibited from reporting to and from israhell).
> And US having their European slave countries banning the Russian viewpoint from being transmitted.
> Threatening our chip makers not to sell to China or else.
> What a fucking mafia US is.
> NATO is a US weapon sales club...
> Now our old Dutch leader (the right just voted him away) will head NATO.
> He is not the brightest, disaster is guaranteed.
> NATO has commie paranoia generals... I had a conversation with some.
> Same was in the US long ago, Mc Carthy era.
> Banning tiktok, now banning that Russian security software,
> the list is endless.
> I see alliances forming: Russia, China, North Korea, N Vietnam.
> Different finance systems in use.
> US busy stealing Russian assets to finance their weapons as YouKrane is already backrupt..
> it cannot pay interest on their loans it seems.
> 
> A bit more and China dumps the US debt it holds, Japan may follow..
> Japan may change sides and align with Russia and China.
> I have this little globe, look at the surface area of that US compared to those that oppose it now.
> 
> 

Oh please.