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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic
Subject: Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0
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On 6/21/2024 1:39 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
> On 6/21/24 2:22 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/21/2024 1:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/21/24 1:55 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/21/2024 12:40 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/21/24 1:22 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When there is no mapping from the finite string x86 machine
>>>>>> language input to H(D,D) to the  behavior of D(D) then
>>>>>> H(D,D) IS NOT being asked about the behavior of D(D).
>>>>>
>>>>> But there *IS* a mapping, it just isn't a COMPUTABLE MAPPING.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If there is a mapping yet not a computable mapping then
>>>> the actual halt decider cannot even see the question that
>>>> the textbooks expect it to see.
>>>
>>> But a decider doesn't "See" the question. it just computes the result 
>>> it was programmed to give.
>>>
>>
>> It must be the behavior that the input finite string actually specifies.
>> It cannot be the behavior that the programmer imagines that it specifies.
>>
> 
> But strings don't "have" behavior, or even "specify" behavior by 
> themselves, the behavior comes from applying the string to the 
> DEFINITION of the problem.
> 

In this case the definition of the x86 language specifies
the behavior of DDD. If you deny this then you are a liar.

No matter how much textbooks expect that the input to HH0(DDD)
does not specify recursive simulation their counter-factual
expectations are refuted.

_DDD()
[00002093] 55               push ebp
[00002094] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
[00002096] 6893200000       push 00002093 ; push DDD
[0000209b] e853f4ffff       call 000014f3 ; call HH0
[000020a0] 83c404           add esp,+04
[000020a3] 5d               pop ebp
[000020a4] c3               ret
Size in bytes:(0018) [000020a4]

It is as if you have been indoctrinated like the
Moonies: (cult members must be deprogrammed)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church

-- 
Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius
hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer