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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple
Date: Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400
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On 6/20/2024 10:24 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v52ngo$2v630$8@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/20/24 9:35 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v52l9a$2qv7o$10@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/19/24 3:09 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v4v8ug$23o16$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/19/2024 12:27 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v4uvta$21spc$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>      moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:41 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v4t2ai$1imbc$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>       "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> BTR1701 <no_email@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ST. LOUIS (AP) - A judge has expunged the misdemeanor convictions
>>>>>>>>>>> of a St. Louis couple who waved guns at racial injustice protesters
>>>>>>>>>>> outside their mansion in 2020. Now they want their guns back.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I had no idea that four years later, this still hadn't happened.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It was a gated community, which are all over St. Louis. They were
>>>>>>>>>> trespassing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Apparently 'trespassing' is a meaningless term when you're doing it
>>>>>>>>> for 'social justice'.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Don't you even *pretend* there's a built-in tug-of-war between
>>>>>>>> "trespassing" and "peaceable assembly"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe in a public place like a university quad, but not in a private
>>>>>>> residential neighborhood.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Under the presumption that each point of view must give some ground
>>>>>
>>>>> Why would you presume that?
>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd say that the protesters' rights depend on history, geometry, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd say (and I'd be right) that no protester has rights to come onto my
>>>>> private property at all. I'm the only one who gets to decide who's
>>>>> allowed and who isn't. It's pretty much in the definition.
>>>>>
>>>> They were in the street, not on McClosky's property.
>>>
>>> The street was private property, too, smooth brain.
>>>
>>> And there's nothing wrong with indicating to a screaming mob that's
>>> already trespassed on private property what will happen to them if they
>>> trespass any further.
> 
>> There certainly was something wrong, and they were charged based on the
>> law as written.
> 
> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the
> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private property
> laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people in the middle
> of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your land and doing you
> harm.

Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there are 
other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures in, too.