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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: 195 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HH0
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On 6/22/2024 4:27 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 21.jun.2024 om 15:01 schreef olcott:
>> On 6/21/2024 2:44 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 20.jun.2024 om 16:12 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 6/20/2024 3:09 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 20.jun.2024 om 02:00 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> This shows all of the steps of HH0 simulating DDD
>>>>>> calling a simulated HH0 simulating DDD
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://liarparadox.org/HH0_(DDD)_Full_Trace.pdf
>>>>>> *Some of the key instructions are color coded*
>>>>>> GREEN---DebugStep Address
>>>>>> RED-----HH Address
>>>>>> YELLOW--All of the DDD instructions
>>>>>> CYAN----Return from DebugStep to Decide_Halting_HH
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>> [000020a2] 55         push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>> [000020a3] 8bec       mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>> [000020a5] 68a2200000 push 000020a2 ; push DDD
>>>>>> [000020aa] e8f3f9ffff call 00001aa2 ; call H0
>>>>>> [000020af] 83c404     add esp,+04   ; housekeeping
>>>>>> [000020b2] 5d         pop ebp       ; housekeeping
>>>>>> [000020b3] c3         ret           ; never gets here
>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [000020b3]
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Exactly which step of DDD emulated by H0 was emulated
>>>>>> incorrectly such that this emulation would be complete?
>>>>>> AKA DDD emulated by H0 reaches machine address [000020b3]
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If the simulation of a program with a loop of 5 iterations is 
>>>>> aborted after 3 iterations, all instructions are correctly 
>>>>> simulated. Nevertheless, it is an incorrect simulation, because it 
>>>>> should simulate up to the final state of the program.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It would be helpful if you answer the actual question being asked
>>>> right here and thus not answer some other question that was asked
>>>> somewhere else.
>>>
>>> If you do not understand that I answered the question why the 
>>> simulation is incorrect, it is hopeless. The question which 
>>> instruction is incorrect is not the right question.
>>>
>>
>> If you say that something is incorrect and can't be specific
>> then your rebuttal is pure bluster with no actual basis.
>>
> 
> If ..., but that condition is not present, so the 'then' does not apply.
> This makes the sentence completely superfluous. I would expect better 
> from someone who claims to be an experienced programmer.
> 
> But since I pointed out in a very detailed way, why it is incorrect, 
> your reply shows that you do not understand where you are talking about, 
> which then becomes utterly nonsense.
> 
> The question which instruction is incorrectly simulated already shows 
> your error. The error is not that an instruction is simulated 
> incorrectly, but that some instruction are not simulated at all.
> Why is that already over your head?
> 

It is a verified fact that the behavior that finite string DDD presents
to HH0 is that when DDD correctly simulated by HH0 calls HH0(DDD) that
this call DOES NOT RETURN.

It is a verified fact that the behavior that finite string DDD presents
to HH1 is that when DDD correctly simulated by HH0 calls HH1(DDD) that
this call DOES RETURN.

I don't get why people here insist on lying about verified facts.

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