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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> Newsgroups: rec.arts.tv Subject: Re: California Bans Non-White Paper Shooting Targets Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 11:36:18 -0400 Organization: Ph'nglui Mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh Wgah'nagl Fhtagn. Lines: 105 Message-ID: <v56r1i$3qg7n$14@dont-email.me> References: <Ua6cnWPzMZYw8-n7nZ2dnZfqn_qdnZ2d@giganews.com> <v52m0i$2usni$6@dont-email.me> <atropos-F18545.19281220062024@news.giganews.com> Reply-To: fredp1571@gmail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 17:36:19 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="072282864a3da7810fb240dbac999e40"; logging-data="4014327"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19VhWY4GvSrvh+Mk97YC/j0" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.14; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.0 Cancel-Lock: sha1:2ttm/EWwdN3Hz2PADEAryML239U= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <atropos-F18545.19281220062024@news.giganews.com> Bytes: 6397 On 6/20/24 10:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote: > In article <v52m0i$2usni$6@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> On 6/20/24 2:02 PM, BTR1701 wrote: >>> Ah, California... the stupidity never stops. <sigh> >>> >>> This is the target we used for requals. We always questioned why it is that >>> we were only shooting white guys. >>> >>> -------------------- >>> https://americancop.com/banning-targets/ >>> >>> Since at least 2013, a tremendous number of agencies have suffered from >>> "Good Idea Fairy" visits. Išm specifically addressing those "good ideas" >>> that will reportedly fix society's ills but have little to no factual >>> foundation. Generally, these stem from politicians "doing something" to fix >>> a problem. >>> >>> Some of these include-- claiming there is no national standard for using >>> force while trying to throw out Graham v Connor, ignoring SCOTUS rulings >>> like United States v Whren to attack pro-active policing, or protesting the >>> release of positive body-worn camera footage. >>> >>> Then, we had wholesale changes to various penal codes. These came from the >>> various legislative bodies and ballot initiatives. One is California's >>> Proposition 47-- deceptively titled (by Kamala Harris, no less) "the Safe >>> Neighborhoods and Schools Act". It radically elevated the dollar threshold >>> for felonies while mandating citations versus custodial bookings and no >>> practical consequences. Then, there are the various bail łreform˛ efforts. >>> No need to make bail while releasing people without consequences. >>> >>> California now has Senate Bill 1020 working its way through the system. >>> After passing the state senate, it is going to the Assembly. The bill will >>> ban any paper shooting target in which the subject's race can be >>> identified. Suppose it passes California's Assembly and is signed by the >>> governor. In that case, cops in my old state will lose valuable training >>> tools. In addition to targets that aid in judgment, they will lose one way >>> that removes "novelty"--new or previously unseen problems-- from training. >>> State Senator Steven Bradford authored the bill. >>> >>> After hearing about SB-1020, I looked at Braford's web page. It mentions >>> the intent of the bill is to correct "inherent racial bias that certain >>> ethnic groups are more dangerous". I wonder if his staff looked at the Law >>> Enforcement Officers Killed & Assaulted data. Data, not opinion. >>> >>> SB1020 would enact Penal Code section 13658, which reads: >>> >>> (a) Each law enforcement agency and police academy basic course presenter >>> shall have a policy prohibiting the use of ethnic shooting targets for any >>> training, qualification, competition, or other range activities that are >>> sponsored by the agency or academy, presenter, take place on any agency or >>> academy presenter property, or involve the participation of any agency or >>> academy presenter personnel or academy trainees. those attending a basic >>> course. >>> >>> (b) The policy described in subdivision (a) shall also prohibit providing >>> ethnic shooting targets to any peace officer or trainee basic course >>> attendee for personal use. >>> >>> (c) As used in this section, the following definitions apply: >>> >>> (1) "Ethnic shooting target" means any physical range target that depicts a >>> human form or part of a human form that includes skin colors or facial >>> features from which a person might reasonably discern a race or ethnicity >>> of the person depicted. An "ethnic shooting target" does not include a >>> silhouette target or a human form target with a nonhuman skin color such as >>> green or blue that does not have facial features. >>> >>> How does that improve law enforcement's performance in deadly force >>> situations? Does it result in better judgment skills? Does it positively >>> impact the Donšt Shoot/Shoot decision-making process? >>> >> >> Sorry you don't have the right to indulge your racist fantasies any more. >> (Sorry, not sorry...) > > If I actually had those fantasies, I definitely would still have that > right. > > This law would only apply to police agencies and other governmental > bodies. Private citizens can still shoot at whatever paper pictures they > want. If the government tried to outlaw that, it would be a violation of > the 1st Amendment. > > Sorry that the Constitution is still getting in the way of your ability > to dictate what others can do and say. > > (Sorry, not sorry...) > Kinda did no such thing. I didn't address that at all. Some people like to fantasize shooting people. You do it all the time. -- On May 30, 2024 Donald J. Trump was unanimously convicted on 34 felony counts in New York City... so I took this picture in my side yard. https://www.dropbox.com/s/0es3xolxka455iw/BetterThingsToDo.jpg?dl=0 "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a man’s mind." - OC Bible 25B.G. https://www.dropbox.com/s/ek8kap93bmk0q5w/D%20U%20N%20E%20Part%20II.jpg?dl=0