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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2024 16:54:19 -0400
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On 6/22/2024 11:46 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
> FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 6/21/24 12:59 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v52nan$2v630$5@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/20/24 9:49 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v52kf9$2qv7o$1@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/19/24 7:28 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v4vh5f$258cf$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/19/2024 3:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In article <v4v8jq$23o16$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 10:38 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4tfnl$1ons5$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4t1nu$1ig6v$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/18/2024 5:03 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <v4s1kl$1c3jr$5@dont-email.me>, FPP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 8:30 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <17d9412e82a8a311$8843$3053472$46d50c60@news.newsdemon.com>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trotsky <gmsingh@email.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/24 11:46 AM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/15/2024 4:20 AM, trotsky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/14/24 5:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The Federal Firearms Act of 1934
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  From wiki:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The current National Firearms Act (NFA) defines a number of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> categories of regulated firearms. These weapons are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> collectively
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> known as NFA firearms and include the following:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Machine guns:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> without manual reloading, by a single function of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> weapon, any part designed and intended solely and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exclusively,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the possession or under the control of a person."[10]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, bump-stocks are patently a "workaround" for a law whose
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intent is patently obvious. Not exactly a triumph of sanity.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "A work around" is accurate. And the spirit of the law is far
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> important, obviously, than the letter of the law
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, cool! I see Hutt the Fuck-Up Fairy has visited us again!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, Hutt, you're unsurprisingly about as absolutely wrong as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> can be yet again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The letter of the law is obviously paramount in the context of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> jurisprudential determination as evidenced by the 1000-page
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statutes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we have coming out of Congress, millions of pages of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> administrative
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> regulations, and the multi-page click-thrus of tiny and near-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hieroglyphic legalese that you have to agree to just to use a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece of software.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If all we needed to concern ourselves with was a law's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "spirit",
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then none of that would be necessary.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd elaborate further but I don't have the time or the crayons
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain it to you. Jeezus, Hutt, if I wanted to kill myself,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> climb your ego and jump to your IQ.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And how does using a bump stock differ from a fully automatic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gun?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a bump stock, for every round fired, a separate trigger pull
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> occurs.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a machine gun, one one trigger pull is required to fire
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> multiple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rounds.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also, the rate of fire of a bump stock-equipped rifle is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> significantly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> slower than a rifle firing on full-auto.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So, this 15-sec. video is a lie?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=brrecvXhRVc
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't know what you're talking about. You can clearly see the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bump
>>>>>>>>>>>>> device using the recoil (and Newton's Third Law) to reset the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> trigger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after every round.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> What I'm seeing is a NOT "significantly slower" rate of fire.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The bump device I used produce a fast rate of fire but not as fast as
>>>>>>>>>>> full-auto rifle. Perhaps this is a different model that works more
>>>>>>>>>>> efficiently.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regardless, the law passed by Congress did not differentiate "machine
>>>>>>>>>>> gun" from other guns by how fast it shoots, so the rate of fire is
>>>>>>>>>>> actually irrelevant to the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, we've already established that a determined judiciary can do an
>>>>>>>>>> end-run around even the clearest legislative intent.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> They didn't end-run anything. They only reiterated-- since our
>>>>>>>>> government seems to have lost its way and needs a reminder-- that
>>>>>>>>> Congress is the only body granted the authority by the Constitution to
>>>>>>>>> legislate in this country, not administrative agencies like BATF, and
>>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>>> Congress wants to change the definition of "machine gun" to incorporate
>>>>>>>>> bump stocks into it, it can do so at any time. However, BATF has no
>>>>>>>>> authority to do it for them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Machine gun:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be
>>>>>>>> readily
>>>>>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual
>>>>>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the
>>>>>>> trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a
>>>>>>> result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks
>>>>>>> the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing a
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