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Subject: Re: Android keyboard: your choice.
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 08:15:09 +0200
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Andrew,

>> Oh yes, there seems to be a difference : the first being the back-end and
>> second the front-end.  At least, if I maye take Googles own word for it :
>>
>> https://firebase.google.com/firebase-and-gcp
>
> Thank you for noticing that there's a difference between "Google Firebase"
> and "Google Services Firebase App Indexing",

:-) that was never the question.

The link there and the quote I posted seem to contradict your, rather 
pertinent, claim that both of the above have zero to do with each other.

> While I will freely admit to not knowing what either one truly is, I don't
> think one is just the back end of the other - simply because the whole
> purpose of "Google Services Firebase App Indexing" is for the app to get
> its data in the users' search results ON THE PHONE (as far as I can tell),
> while the whole purpose of "Google Firebase" is for the app to link in
> access to Google's cloud.

You already mentioned that data gathered on your phone by that Firebase 
framework gets send off too somewhere you don't know, but you still refuse 
to consider the possibility that a same-named software "in the cloud", also 
from Google, could be the recipient of it.

Yeah, you're definitily confusing me, and it has got nothing to do with our 
difference in knowledge..

> As far as I can tell, those are two completely different endeavors.

Well, lets agree on disagreeing on that, shall we ?

>   "A note about privacy: The personal content index only exists
>    on the user's device. None of the user's personal content is
>    uploaded to Google servers and it only remains on the device
>    while the app is installed. However, aggregated statistics
>    about apps' usage of App Indexing and other system health
>    information may be uploaded to Google servers."

Are you gullible or what ?

Ask yourself: if Google doesn't want to upload that "personal content" to 
itself, than why are they gathering it in the first place ?

Its sounds like the defence of a common thief : "No, no, I just was putting 
that stuff in my pockets, but I wasn't planning of taking it with me, 
Constable.  No, really." - and just as believable.

> Notice that means it doesn't matter one bit if an application has
> no Internet access... Because Google does.

Thats the second time you're claiming "because Google does", and the second 
time you forgot to substanciate it with anything - even though I explicitily 
asked for it.  Do it a third time and I'll plonk you.

And I'll give you a bone: I can imagine that /some/ app will communicate, 
over the internet, with people/companies unknown.  But that "some app" still 
needs to be given, by the user, access to the internet.   Trying to make it 
sound as if Google somehow (magically?) gets that access without the user 
having any say in it doesn't fly.

By the way:

>The problem is that when everyone is talking about stuff they don't know
>much about (including me), then everything any one person says tends to
>confuse any other person - because they're not starting from the same
>knowledge level.

Ah yes, thats a nice vague claim with lots of escape room. :-)

I could mention that I've listened to people who definitily had a lot more 
knowledge than me and experienced zero confusion, and that is than covered 
by the "tends to" (the "just not now" part).  And someone else can mention 
that most all information they have been given confuses them, and thats 
cover by it too.

IOW, you can use it over the full spectrum of a persons experience (with 
being given, or even asked for, information) and its never wrong.  And that 
makes it absolutily meaningless.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser