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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Mikko <mikko.levanto@iki.fi> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: Why do people here insist on denying these verified facts? Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 12:50:52 +0300 Organization: - Lines: 70 Message-ID: <v58r5s$9j01$1@dont-email.me> References: <v56n8h$3pr25$1@dont-email.me> <v56ntj$onl3$7@i2pn2.org> <v56ps2$3q4ea$1@dont-email.me> <v56sk3$p1du$2@i2pn2.org> <v56tfv$3ql1v$2@dont-email.me> <v570n5$onl4$11@i2pn2.org> <v571lc$3rrgk$1@dont-email.me> <v57603$onl3$12@i2pn2.org> <v576cg$3soh6$2@dont-email.me> <v576nv$onl3$14@i2pn2.org> <v5775h$3soh6$5@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 11:50:53 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="890da45bc618ab4dcbe3f8f2c87d41b7"; logging-data="314369"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18qiDxggZN9hjAEvonsdjHT" User-Agent: Unison/2.2 Cancel-Lock: sha1:WML9jQPriPTLo3yeJqKYS60qKRY= Bytes: 3579 On 2024-06-22 19:03:13 +0000, olcott said: > On 6/22/2024 1:55 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 6/22/24 2:49 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 6/22/2024 1:43 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>> On 6/22/24 1:29 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>> On 6/22/2024 12:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>> On 6/22/24 12:18 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>>> { >>>>>>> HHH0(DDD); >>>>>>> } >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The input to HHH0(DDD) includes itself. >>>>>>> The input to HHH1(DDD) DOES NOT include itself. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is stipulated that correct emulation is defined by the >>>>>>> semantics of the x86 programming language and nothing else. >>>>>> >>>>>> And thus, your emulation traces show that your "Simulating Halt >>>>>> Deciders" do not do a "Correct Simulation" >>>>> >>>>> Apparently your ADD preventing you from paying close attention >>>>> to ALL of my words. >>>>> >>>>> *Function names adapted to correspond to my updated paper* >>>>> >>>>> void DDD() >>>>> { >>>>> H0(DDD); >>>>> } >>>>> >>>>> *When we stipulate that the only measure of a correct* >>>>> *emulation is the semantics of the x86 programming language* >>>>> >>>>> *When we stipulate that the only measure of a correct* >>>>> *emulation is the semantics of the x86 programming language* >>>>> >>>>> *When we stipulate that the only measure of a correct* >>>>> *emulation is the semantics of the x86 programming language* >>>>> >>>>> *When we stipulate that the only measure of a correct* >>>>> *emulation is the semantics of the x86 programming language* >>>>> >>>>> *When we stipulate that the only measure of a correct* >>>>> *emulation is the semantics of the x86 programming language* >>>>> >>>>> then we see that when DDD is correctly emulated by H0 that >>>>> its call to H0(DDD) cannot possibly return. >>>> >>>> Since your H0 has never demonstrated that is actually DOES the correct >>>> simulation per your stipulation, >>> >>> Liar >>> >> >> Then where is it? >> > When we stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation > is the semantics of the x86 programming language then we see that > when DDD is correctly emulated by H0 that its call to H0(DDD) > cannot possibly return. Semantics of the x86 programming language does not specifiy emulation or correctness of emulation. -- Mikko