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Path: ...!feeds.phibee-telecom.net!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: Why do people here insist on denying these verified facts? Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 08:23:10 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 53 Message-ID: <v597ju$brmn$2@dont-email.me> References: <v56n8h$3pr25$1@dont-email.me> <v58ql8$9g3i$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 15:23:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f19a017657c3e3f4d15756f16e311b4d"; logging-data="388823"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+F0d7V99Rv4A3Ddr4nF336" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wu7hogO5nUketMmhIpV/xuQ9AIk= In-Reply-To: <v58ql8$9g3i$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3176 On 6/23/2024 4:42 AM, Mikko wrote: > When the head line has the words "these verified facts" the message should > first tell what facts are "these verified facts" and who verified them > before any further discussion. > It is a verified fact that 2 + 3 = 5 according to the semantics of arithmetic. Anyone having an opinion that contradicts this is WRONG. _DDD() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call H0(DDD) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] It is a verified fact that the call from DDD to H0(DDD) cannot possibly return to DDD correctly emulated by H0 according to the semantics of the x86 language. Anyone having an opinion that contradicts this is WRONG. > What Professor Sipser has verfied below is not a fact but a criterion. > It is a verified fact that professor Sipser agreed with my verbatim words. > On 2024-06-22 14:31:45 +0000, olcott said: > >> https://www.amazon.com/Introduction-Theory-Computation-Michael-Sipser/dp/113318779X/ >> >> To understand this analysis requires a sufficient knowledge of >> the C programming language and what an x86 emulator does. HHH0 >> and HHH1 have this criteria as their algorithm: >> >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >> stop running unless aborted then >> >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> > ... > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer