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On 6/23/2024 7:23 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jun 2024 09:34:50 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/23/2024 3:15 AM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 20:43:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/22/2024 3:01 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jun 2024 14:06:44 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/22/2024 1:45 PM, Catrike Ryder wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A quick look at Amazon's sample of Forester's book provides an idea of
>>>>>>> what the pompous jackass had to say. He says some people just don't
>>>>>>> know how to enjoy bicycling, but he's ready to help you with that.
>>>>>>> They actually want $29 for that ridiculous book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I say "Pfffft!"
>>>>>
>>>>> I should perhaps add that it's very clear what Forester's big message
>>>>> was. He, like you, insists that true bicycling enjoyment can only be
>>>>> had by riding among vehicular traffic on streets and roads in the
>>>>> course of one's usual transits.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously, you haven't read the book. You're blathering out of ignorance.
>>>
>>> Of course I haven't read that book. Why would I?  I have, however,
>>> read about Forester.
>>>
>>> https://www.forbes.com/sites/carltonreid/2020/04/23/death-of-a-dinosaur-anti-cycleway-campaigner-john-forester-dies-aged-90/
>>>
>>>>>> :-)  How's your self-publishing effort working out?
>>>>>
>>>>> I am reviewing a proof copy, and deciding what size the paperback
>>>>> version should be. I'm not in a hurry to publish it. I do have other
>>>>> interests.
>>>>
>>>> Oh please! You bragged..
>>>
>>> <LOL> I simply showed you what you asked for. Perhaps you should
>>> consider not asking to see things you don't want to see.
>>>
>>>> by showing a link to several books you claim to
>>>> have written and "self published" - books that sold too little to stay
>>>> on the market.
>>>
>>> <EYEROLL> Books aren't taken off the market simply because they sold
>>> too little, Dumbass. There are books available on Amazon that haven't
>>> sold a copy for years and years.
>>>
>>> ...but like I said, unlike you, I documented what I said I did.
>>>
>>>> Plenty have paid attention to Forester and his ideas.
>>>
>>> ...and?
>>>
>>>> His most famous
>>>> book went through seven editions, most of them published by MIT Press.
>>>> He was very influential, even though the dimmer idealists disagreed with
>>>> him.
>>>
>>> ...and yet I see the bike trails and bike lanes that he argued against
>>> all over the USA and other countries.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think people saw John Forester as the oddity that he was. Don
>>> Quixote on skinny wheels.
>>>
>>>> Nobody has paid attention to you.
>>>
>>> Yes. Unlike you, I don't seek attention.
>>
>> While I agree that Mr Forester's work has little to no
>> application or import for you, I think he has much valuable
>> to offer for me, especially in 45 years of daily commuting
>> in traffic.
> 
> And yet all over S.E.A where I have lived a very great many people
> commute by bicycle (fewer now with the advent of cheap motorcycles)
> who have never heard of Forester and as they don't speak English
> couldn't read his books if given one.


In fairness, Mr Forester wrote a very long time ago and 
assumed automobile pilots were neither homicidal maniacs nor 
stoned out of their minds. This isn't as true now. He also 
wrote before walk-around telephones; now every other driver 
is consumed with denigrating some kid in a chatroom with his 
thumbs while wandering across lane lines...
-- 
Andrew Muzi
am@yellowjersey.org
Open every day since 1 April, 1971