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From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org>
Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic
Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie?
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2024 23:11:21 -0400
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On 6/23/24 10:52 PM, olcott wrote:
> On 6/23/2024 9:38 PM, olcott wrote:
>> On 6/23/2024 9:31 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/23/24 10:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/23/2024 9:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/23/24 10:09 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/23/2024 9:00 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 9:36 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2024 8:30 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 9:20 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2024 8:13 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 9:00 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2024 7:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 8:08 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2024 6:44 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 7:34 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2024 5:58 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 6:45 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You know what the freak I was talking from prior
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> discussions unless your brain is so damaged that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can't remember anything from one post to the next.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the case that you affirm that your brain <is>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this damaged then I humbly apologize.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, you don't know what you are talking about.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So you insist on lying about this verified fact?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call H0(DDD)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [00002183] c3               ret
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the semantics of the x86 programming language
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when DDD correctly emulated by H0 calls H0(DDD) this call
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot possibly return.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I won't say it can't be true, but it hasn't been proven, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> largely because it seems you don't know how to do a 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> formal logic proof.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Liar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Then where is the proof?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And were is the simulation that H0 did?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Failure to show where you ACTUALLY PROVED it just shows you 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Remember the parts of a Formal Logic Proof:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You could disagree that 2 + 3 = 5 on this same Jackass basis.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 2 + 3 = 5 ON THE FREAKING BASIS OF THE SEMANTICS OF ARITHMETIC.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But I seen proofs that 2 + 3 = 5
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And that is done on a proof that uses the semantics of 
>>>>>>>>>>> aritmetic.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The phrase "Semantics of Arithmetic" though, is not a proof.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the semantics of the x86 programming language
>>>>>>>>>>>> when DDD correctly emulated by H0 calls H0(DDD) this call
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot possibly return.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then try to prove it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will not try any prove that 2 + 3 = 5, if you deny
>>>>>>>>>> it then you are a liar.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And you don't need to, as it has been done.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, showing how 2 + 3 = 5 would help show you how to right an 
>>>>>>>>> actual proof.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Likewise for the behavior of DDD correctly simulated
>>>>>>>>>> by H0. A correct x86 emulator already proved this three
>>>>>>>>>> years ago and you still try and get away with lying about it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope. Just a fallacy of proof by example, which isn't a proof.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We have gotten it down to this ONLY LIARS WILL DISAGREE
>>>>>>>>>> THAT MY PROOF IS CORRECT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> WHAT PROOF?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No proof, just means your statement is just a LIE.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> DDD correctly emulated by H0 DOES NOT HALT.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> TYPE ERROR.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Correct Simutation by H is not part of the definition of HALTING.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just proves your ignorance of what you talk about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Likewise for P correctly emulated by H.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> AGAIN TYPE ERROR.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Correct Simutation by H is not part of the definition of HALTING.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just proves your ignorance of what you talk about.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> typedef int (*ptr2)();
>>>>>>>>>> int H(ptr2 P, ptr2 I);
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> int P(ptr2 x)
>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>    int Halt_Status = H(x, x);
>>>>>>>>>>    if (Halt_Status)
>>>>>>>>>>      HERE: goto HERE;
>>>>>>>>>>    return Halt_Status;
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> int main()
>>>>>>>>>> {
>>>>>>>>>>    H(P,P);
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _P()
>>>>>>>>>> [000020e2] 55               push ebp         ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>> [000020e3] 8bec             mov ebp,esp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>> [000020e5] 51               push ecx         ; housekeeping
>>>>>>>>>> [000020e6] 8b4508           mov eax,[ebp+08] ; parameter
>>>>>>>>>> [000020e9] 50               push eax         ; push parameter
>>>>>>>>>> [000020ea] 8b4d08           mov ecx,[ebp+08] ; parameter
>>>>>>>>>> [000020ed] 51               push ecx         ; push parameter
>>>>>>>>>> [000020ee] e82ff3ffff       call 00001422    ; call H(P,P)
>>>>>>>>>> [000020f3] 83c408           add esp,+08
>>>>>>>>>> [000020f6] 8945fc           mov [ebp-04],eax
>>>>>>>>>> [000020f9] 837dfc00         cmp dword [ebp-04],+00
>>>>>>>>>> [000020fd] 7402             jz 00002101
>>>>>>>>>> [000020ff] ebfe             jmp 000020ff
>>>>>>>>>> [00002101] 8b45fc           mov eax,[ebp-04]
>>>>>>>>>> [00002104] 8be5             mov esp,ebp
>>>>>>>>>> [00002106] 5d               pop ebp
>>>>>>>>>> [00002107] c3               ret
>>>>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0038) [00002107]
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And, P(P) Halts since you have indicated that H(P,P) to returns 0.
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