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From: Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net>
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Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 11:20:46 -0400
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On 6/24/2024 4:40 AM, Roger Merriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 6/23/2024 3:13 PM, Roger Merriman wrote:
>>> 
>>> In my experience he and Vehicular Cycling are very rarely known even among
>>> urban campaigners, and the idea is dismissed and discredited.
>>
>> People here are indulging in guesswork! It's a bit like Tom foolishly
>> speculating on what goes on in a university classroom. If you haven't at
>> least read the relevant literature, it's better to ask questions instead
>> of making proclamations.
>>
>> I believe I'm the only person here who met John Forester, talked with
>> him and corresponded with him. I'm sure I'm the only one who completed a
>> course, and who was certified to teach the relevant coursework.
>>
>> Forester did not claim he invented his techniques out of thin air. On
>> the contrary, he was raised in Britain, and said that what he taught was
>> what was taught as standard practice in Britain at that time. (I
>> understand it still is, in "Bikeability" classes.)
>>
>> The problem, as he saw it, was that the U.S. did not have a continuous
>> bicycling culture, where at least some adults had always been riding. So
>> when the 1970s bike boom hit here, young adults began riding with zero
>> understanding of how to behave among other traffic. He began espousing
>> ideas that seemed radical to some Americans, but were considered normal
>> east of the Atlantic.
>>
>> And as I said, those who claim his ideas are "discredited" are usually
>> saying "because Forester didn't get masses riding bikes." But that was
>> never his objective! His aim was to help those who _did_ choose to ride.
>>
> It’s more his or rather Vehicular cycling as an ideology or political idea
> which it is, which is dead as dodo.

Sorry, that's not making sense. "Vehicular Cycling" is essentially 
riding a bicycle as a legal vehicle on a normal road according to 
existing laws. Are you saying that's political? And that it should not 
be allowed?

Yes, another component of VC is acknowledging the detriments of many 
segregated bike facilities, as this article did:
https://cyclingsavvy.org/2024/06/how-to-ruin-a-buffered-bike-lane/?mc_cid=16dedcf025&mc_eid=c8e37a60f4

Are you saying people should never mention those hazards?
> I think you’re trying to trigger CatTrike!

Catrike is _always_ triggered. Two thirds of his posts are his snarling 
about things he doesn't like.

-- 
- Frank Krygowski