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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!news2.arglkargh.de!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2024 20:55:08 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 133 Message-ID: <v5d81s$17fhi$1@dont-email.me> References: <v598l4$c4if$1@dont-email.me> <v5a4qc$h08n$1@dont-email.me> <v5a5a1$smd5$6@i2pn2.org> <v5a657$hgsg$1@dont-email.me> <v5a7vs$smd4$2@i2pn2.org> <v5a8hi$hsjd$1@dont-email.me> <v5a9bi$smd4$3@i2pn2.org> <v5abdl$igvh$1@dont-email.me> <v5ac1p$smd4$4@i2pn2.org> <v5add4$isal$1@dont-email.me> <v5aebe$smd4$5@i2pn2.org> <v5aggb$jan3$1@dont-email.me> <v5ah6u$smd5$7@i2pn2.org> <v5ahkc$jgfe$1@dont-email.me> <v5ai8i$smd5$8@i2pn2.org> <v5aij8$nd1b$2@dont-email.me> <v5ajva$smd4$6@i2pn2.org> <v5akga$nr6u$1@dont-email.me> <v5aktu$smd4$8@i2pn2.org> <v5alis$o08r$1@dont-email.me> <v5alpo$smd5$10@i2pn2.org> <v5am7l$o31i$1@dont-email.me> <v5an1e$o6ib$1@dont-email.me> <v5ao4p$smd4$10@i2pn2.org> <v5ap10$odqa$1@dont-email.me> <v5bjn9$ursa$1@i2pn2.org> <v5bt3m$v0vb$2@dont-email.me> <v5cuta$10m6o$2@i2pn2.org> <v5d0bf$162m0$1@dont-email.me> <v5d188$10m6p$6@i2pn2.org> <v5d1ev$16a8b$1@dont-email.me> <v5d1mm$10m6o$8@i2pn2.org> <v5d3b4$16k7k$1@dont-email.me> <v5d4gj$10m6o$9@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 03:55:09 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="422dd2162c45ab1a09b084523bb5ca66"; logging-data="1293874"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19X4hTlnW7RW/jBsyS0wprj" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:SNwDmySikK2lI4/q1pyYICDYJtE= In-Reply-To: <v5d4gj$10m6o$9@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 7203 On 6/24/2024 7:54 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/24/24 8:34 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/24/2024 7:06 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/24/24 8:02 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/24/2024 6:59 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 6/24/24 7:43 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>> On 6/24/2024 6:19 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>> On 6/24/24 9:42 AM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> On 6/24/2024 6:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 11:26 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/2024 10:11 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/23/24 10:52 PM, olcott wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> for the next 10,000 messages if you really want to look >>>>>>>>>> foolish that long. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Go ahead, stall your argument till you die. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There is no sense moving on to the next point until AFTER >>>>>>>> you quit lying about this point. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _P() >>>>>>>> [000020e2] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>>>>>> [000020e3] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>>>>>> [000020e5] 51 push ecx ; housekeeping >>>>>>>> [000020e6] 8b4508 mov eax,[ebp+08] ; parameter >>>>>>>> [000020e9] 50 push eax ; push parameter >>>>>>>> [000020ea] 8b4d08 mov ecx,[ebp+08] ; parameter >>>>>>>> [000020ed] 51 push ecx ; push parameter >>>>>>>> [000020ee] e82ff3ffff call 00001422 ; call H(P,P) >>>>>>>> [000020f3] 83c408 add esp,+08 >>>>>>>> [000020f6] 8945fc mov [ebp-04],eax >>>>>>>> [000020f9] 837dfc00 cmp dword [ebp-04],+00 >>>>>>>> [000020fd] 7402 jz 00002101 >>>>>>>> [000020ff] ebfe jmp 000020ff >>>>>>>> [00002101] 8b45fc mov eax,[ebp-04] >>>>>>>> [00002104] 8be5 mov esp,ebp >>>>>>>> [00002106] 5d pop ebp >>>>>>>> [00002107] c3 ret >>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0038) [00002107] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The call from P to H(P,P) when P is correctly emulated >>>>>>>> by H cannot possibly return. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> And my reply, like always, So? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Since you are such a damned liar I am not going to give >>>>>> you two different points to endlessly switch back and forth >>>>>> between. I am going to keep repeating this point to prove >>>>>> what a damned liar you really are. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What is the LIE? >>>>> >>>>> It seems YOU are the LIAR. >>>>> >>>>>> void DDD() >>>>>> { >>>>>> H0(DDD); >>>>>> } >>>>>> >>>>>> _DDD() >>>>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call H0(DDD) >>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>>>>> [00002183] c3 ret >>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>>>> >>>>>> The call from DDD to H0(DDD) when DDD is correctly emulated >>>>>> by H0 cannot possibly return. >>>>>> >>>>>> Once we have closure on this point we can move on to >>>>>> the last point. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And what do we care about it? >>>>> >>>> >>>> *It is the only thing that you will get to talk to me about* >>>> *It is the only thing that you will get to talk to me about* >>>> *It is the only thing that you will get to talk to me about* >>>> *It is the only thing that you will get to talk to me about* >>>> >>> >>> Good, so you are admitting you have nothing important to say. >> >> I do correctly refute the halting problem proofs and >> mandate mutual agreement on each step before I will >> proceed to the next step. > > Nope, you never have because you never use the definition of HALTING, > but insist you get to LIE about what halting is. > > You are just talking about your POOP. > > You are just to stupid to understand what you are talking about. > >> >> *I caught you in your lies and there you remain trapped* >> *I caught you in your lies and there you remain trapped* >> *I caught you in your lies and there you remain trapped* >> >> > > Where? *We can get to that as soon as you reverse your lie* *We can get to that as soon as you reverse your lie* *We can get to that as soon as you reverse your lie* You said that D correctly simulated by H must have the behavior of the directly executed D(D). D correctly simulated by H does not have the same behavior as the directly executed D(D) because the call from D to H(D,D) cannot possibly return when D is correctly simulated by H. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer