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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 12:21:25 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 57 Message-ID: <v5eual$1lar1$1@dont-email.me> References: <v45tec$4q15$1@dont-email.me> <v4sa0h$1dk9i$3@dont-email.me> <v4sci6$1ebce$1@dont-email.me> <v4sd35$1eb2f$5@dont-email.me> <v4u3jl$1se49$1@dont-email.me> <v4umvh$1vpm0$7@dont-email.me> <v50d8k$2e51s$1@dont-email.me> <v50dtp$2e5ij$1@dont-email.me> <v51f4t$2k8ar$1@dont-email.me> <v51ge4$2kbbe$2@dont-email.me> <v539bk$329sv$1@dont-email.me> <v53upb$35vak$6@dont-email.me> <v575pl$3sg5p$1@dont-email.me> <v5767s$3soh6$1@dont-email.me> <v5e28t$11urb$5@i2pn2.org> <v5eg03$1ikpr$2@dont-email.me> <v5eho7$24l4$1@news.muc.de> <v5einq$1j1no$1@dont-email.me> <v5er86$134dk$1@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 19:21:26 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="422dd2162c45ab1a09b084523bb5ca66"; logging-data="1747809"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/L/8eGmIKPmlIi6lyUSL05" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:kRErbOSPS8/G9+IPNFsoyetzxfQ= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v5er86$134dk$1@i2pn2.org> Bytes: 3836 On 6/25/2024 11:28 AM, joes wrote: > Am Tue, 25 Jun 2024 09:03:38 -0500 schrieb olcott: >> On 6/25/2024 8:46 AM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: >>> In comp.theory olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> On 6/25/2024 4:22 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Sat, 22 Jun 2024 13:47:24 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 6/22/2024 1:39 PM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>> Op 21.jun.2024 om 15:21 schreef olcott: >>> >>>>>> When we stipulate that the only measure of a correct emulation is >>>>>> the semantics of the x86 programming language then we see that when >>>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by H0 that its call to H0(DDD) cannot >>>>>> possibly return. >>>>> Yes. Which is wrong, because H0 should terminate. >>> I think you are talking at cross purposes. Joes's point is that H0 >>> should terminate because it's a decider. > Thanks. > >> We can get to Joes point only after my point is acknowledged as correct. > It IS correct. > >>> You're saying that when H0 is "correctly" emulating, it won't >>> terminate. I don't recall seeing anybody arguing against that. >> Not at all. I am not tolerating talking about that point until after we >> have 100% closure on the prior point. > What other point? This has been your only content for the last month. > >>> So you're saying, in effect, H0 is not a decider. I don't think >>> anybody else would argue against that, either. >> I never said anything like that. It is all a matter of me not tolerating >> the slightest nuance of any head games what-so-ever. > You said H0 doesn't terminate. > *I never said that* _DDD() [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call H0(DDD) [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 [00002182] 5d pop ebp [00002183] c3 ret Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] The call from DDD to H0(DDD) when DDD is correctly emulated by H0 cannot possibly return. Until you acknowledge this is true, this is the only thing that I am willing to talk to you about. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer