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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: 5th Circuit Strikes Down Bump Stock Ban
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 18:00:22 -0400
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On 6/25/2024 3:37 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v54t46$3bnc4$2@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/21/2024 1:02 AM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v52n7s$2v630$4@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/20/24 9:47 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v52ki8$2qv7o$2@dont-email.me>, FPP <fredp1571@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/19/24 9:10 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jun 2024 16:28:26 -0700, BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <v4vh5f$258cf$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>> moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Machine gun:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "...any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily
>>>>>>>>> restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual
>>>>>>>>> reloading, by a single function of the trigger."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now, tell me again how either gun in my video doesn't qualify...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because with the bump stock, it's only firing one shot per pull of the
>>>>>>>> trigger. The trigger is just being pulled repeatedly really fast as a
>>>>>>>> result of rebounding recoil caused by the bump stock. The bumper rocks
>>>>>>>> the rifle back and forth against the shooter's trigger finger, causing
>>>>>>>> a separate trigger pull each time. The statute you quoted above clearly
>>>>>>>> says "by a SINGLE function of the trigger". If you shoot 100 rounds
>>>>>>>> with a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a
>>>>>>>> single function of the trigger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, you are definitely technically correct. (The best kind.) That
>>>>>>> said you can see why people consider the bump stock to be the
>>>>>>> equivalent of turning a weapon into an equal to a machine gun. It
>>>>>>> isn't a machine gun but it ends throwing lead down field much like
>>>>>>> one. I think eventually the law will be updated to include bump stocks
>>>>>>> but who knows how long that will take. As no one who was involved in
>>>>>>> writing the original act likely foresaw the possibility of a bump
>>>>>>> stock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Both still require the same action. A single trigger pull, with
>>>>>> constant pressure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Which isn't the standard under the law. The law's standard is a "single
>>>>> function of the trigger". As I said above, if you shoot 100 rounds with
>>>>> a bump stock, you've got 100 functions of the trigger, not a single
>>>>> function of the trigger.
>>>>>
>>>>> A semi-auto rifle physically can't fire more than one round with a
>>>>> single function of the trigger. It's impossible for a semi-auto rifle to
>>>>> meet the definition of "machine gun" under the NFA.
>>>>
>>>> You keep glossing over the fact that both machine guns and bump stocks
>>>> require the same action.
>>>
>>> No, I'm focusing on the one thing that legally matters: a single
>>> function of the trigger. It's literally impossible for a semi-auto rifle
>>> to fire more than one round with a single function of the trigger. The
>>> trigger mechanism must complete a full cycle of function for every round
>>> that leaves the barrel.
>>
>> What official verbiage defines "a function of the trigger"?
> 
> Just that: completion of a full cycle of function.
>   
>> If it's different for full-auto, why not for bump-stocks?
> 
> The definition is not different for full-auto. A full cycle of function
> of the trigger with an automatic rifle just produces different results
> than it does with a semi-auto.

But bump-stock results are the *same* as full-auto.  Your consecration 
of the almighty trigger would allow me, e.g., to affix a vibrating 
rubber "finger" to my semi-auto...