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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:48:08 -0400
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On 6/25/2024 6:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v5ffk0$1ns3d$8@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v57ep4$3u7ea$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the
>>>>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private property
>>>>>>> laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people in the middle
>>>>>>> of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your land and doing you
>>>>>>> harm.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there are
>>>>>> other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures in, too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad
>>>>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that
>>>>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station
>>>>> and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get
>>>>> into the farmer's locked truck.
>>>>>
>>>>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of
>>>>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and
>>>>> I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had
>>>>> reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was
>>>>> inebriated or of a different ethnicity.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie
>>>>>
>>>>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ
>>>>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would
>>>>> remember it.
>>>>
>>>> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example:
>>>>
>>>>       The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn.
>>>>
>>>>       You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot."
>>>>
>>>>       He yawns and remains seated.
>>>>
>>>>       Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do?
>>>
>>> That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use
>>> it.
>>>
>>> However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a
>>> screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere
>>> presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a
>>> nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or
>>> unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act.
>>
>> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing
>> as "*JUST* holding a gun".

> Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals?

I don't remember what you're talking about ...but possibly they were 
threatening deadly force.