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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: how the laser happened Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 13:55:29 +1000 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 69 Message-ID: <v5g3fm$1vchi$2@dont-email.me> References: <s2ta7jpomhs58bnntb4nut6pqc4ljskpac@4ax.com> <v5e7cv$1gvd9$1@dont-email.me> <jonl7jd22ddhsmdpf7g82heo324ebi81p8@4ax.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 05:55:35 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="4e0501dee833d2c81811b202a133eb1c"; logging-data="2077234"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+0zjygWiPgYT+2UfLU8Igg0vNht9QE0w4=" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:KWvSWtvISlPVaFr0QQWxFGsDSIU= X-Antivirus-Status: Clean In-Reply-To: <jonl7jd22ddhsmdpf7g82heo324ebi81p8@4ax.com> Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Norton (VPS 240625-10, 26/6/2024), Outbound message Bytes: 4142 On 26/06/2024 1:19 am, john larkin wrote: > On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 11:50:05 +0100, Martin Brown > <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote: > >> On 21/06/2024 14:05, john larkin wrote: >>> There was a thread somewhere above about photon wave/particle duality. >>> >>> >>> This is worth reading: >>> >>> https://www.amazon.com/How-Laser-Happened-Adventures-Scientist/dp/0195153766 >>> >>> Einstein, in one of his fits of genius, predicted in around 1916 that >>> under the right conditions, a photon could pass by an excited atom and >>> the atom would kick in another photon, or add to the wave amplitude, >>> depending on how you feel about these things. He called it stimulated >>> emission. He also declared that the laws of thermodynamics made this >>> effect impossible to use in practical situations. >>> >>> In 1951, Charles Townes invented a work-around trick and built the >>> maser, a gaseous microwave oscillator. His superiors thought he was >>> crazy to dispute Einstein and almost threw him out of grad school, but >>> it worked. >> >> More interesting still nature beat him to it. >> >> The natural source W3(OH) dense molecular cloud which has hydroxyl >> masers pumped by UV bright young stars embedded in it. >> >> Very bright ultra narrow band point sources on a fuzzy nebulous object. >> >> https://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/pdf/1981MNRAS.194P..25S >> >>> What's interesting is that any decent neon sign shop could have built >>> a HeNe laser in 1920. >> >> They would have needed to make the mirror just cavity right though. > > I know a guy who built a HeNe. It wasn't hard. When I was a graduate student I put together an He laser tube with Brewster angle windows, and getters, and loaded it with the right gas mix. It did produce the right sort of glow when I ran a discharge through it The friend who was going to fabricate the metalwork to locate the tube between the two properly aligned mirrors didn't get as far. >> A nitrogen gas UV pulsed laser is possible just by getting the pressure >> right and creating the population inversion. Self starting - there was >> a (dangerous) experiment in SciAm Amateur Scientist column to do it >> sometime in the 1970's. June 1974 in fact - cover shows the BZ reaction. >> >> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-amateur-scientist-1974-06/ >> >> The failure to discover fullerenes in soot was a lot more surprising >> since they were there all the time since the invention of fire just >> waiting to be extracted by benzene. For a long time space dust had a >> spectrum that could not be reproduced on Earth by any known compound. >> >> Much like Helium was in the sun but more pervasive. > > Too many powerful old farts declare things to be impossible. Many more ill-informed half-wits make the alternative mistake -- This email has been checked for viruses by Norton antivirus software. www.norton.com