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Path: ...!news.mixmin.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 05:55:30 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 21 Message-ID: <v5gagi$20gjg$1@dont-email.me> References: <s7r87j1c3u6mim0db3ccbdvknvtjr4anu3@4ax.com> <v5an0l$10bj$1@gal.iecc.com> <87le2vatq4.fsf@localhost> <v5asis$p33t$1@dont-email.me> <v5dfkf$1h3e$3@gal.iecc.com> <v5dl6f$1dttg$1@dont-email.me> <v5eln4$1jpnm$1@dont-email.me> <3XAeO.24906$Gurd.8658@fx34.iad> <v5enqj$1k5g7$1@dont-email.me> <bzBeO.41507$ErM.8377@fx45.iad> <v5g8u8$1l3le$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 07:55:31 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d3e70b79bcb23d33c66caba9f2139d60"; logging-data="2114160"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX183JNmUUPL3CyuC9eLU2BO8" User-Agent: Pan/0.158 (Avdiivka; ) Cancel-Lock: sha1:BgHS4XpAV12UI04oGGGRu2j+YUo= Bytes: 2337 On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 22:28:40 -0700, Stephen Fuld wrote: > But if you are using the "standard" Unix file system, doesn't it read > the block(S) into its cache, then when the user program does the read, > transfer the data from its cache into the user's variables? That is the > extra overhead to which I was referring. That tends to happen anyway, even on OSes which insist on record-oriented I/O. For example, on DEC’s VMS, the record blocking layer is called “RMS” (“Record Management Services”), and that usually copies records between the user’s buffers and its own internal buffers (“move mode”). It is possible to request “locate mode”, where it returns the address of a record directly within its internal buffers. But there are many restrictions on this, among other things: * It only works for reads, not for writes * It doesn’t work for records crossing block boundaries * It doesn’t work for compressed records So this record-copying overhead is not, in itself, a point against Unix- style streaming I/O.