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From: Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please>
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Subject: Re: relevation_physics
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 11:47:43 +0200
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On 6/26/24 11:07, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 26 Jun 2024 10:22:58 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman
> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5gj0i$21rf5$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> On 6/26/24 07:52, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>> On a sunny day (Tue, 25 Jun 2024 20:23:26 +0200) it happened Jeroen Belleman
>>> <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote in <v5f1qf$1lnfr$2@dont-email.me>:
>>>
>>>> On 6/25/24 06:30, Jan Panteltje wrote:
>>>>> relevation_physics
>>>>> Was watching old video, early morning
>>>>> Thinking about why we cannot measure size of electron (still unknown)
>>>>> Then wondered if I could make something mechanical that would behave like electon,
>>>>> say 2 repel each other etc..
>>>>> Thinking plasma, but hard to make.
>>>>> Then thinking magnets, but must be 3D.
>>>>> So a constructon of many magnets with say N poles tied together and south poles at the outside
>>>>> So then thought so much force needed to hold those north poles together..
>>>>> Then 'relevation'!! BLACK HOLE
>>>>> at he center, much to do these days about femto scale black holes all over the universe..
>>>>> Then construction, would I use needles for a demo ball made of thousand magnetic needles,
>>>>> like strings.. STRINGS shit oh man I'v got it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The size of the electron isn't entirely unknown. It's just that
>>>> different methods give different results. An electron isn't a
>>>> solid tiny billiard ball. It's a fuzzy thing, kind of hard to pin
>>>> down its size to a definite value. Much depends on how hard you
>>>> squeeze!
>>>>
>>>> Your ball of magnets isn't going to work. It would amount to
>>>> making a magnetic monopole. To our current knowledge, there is
>>>> no such thing. Reproducibly making or detecting magnetic monopoles
>>>> would be a Nobel prize achievement!
>>>
>>> Well, that nobble price is mostly political these days I think
>>> Several winners were jailed ..
>>>
>>> Why would a ball of magnetic needles not work
>>> and 2 with the same polarity not deflect?
>>>
>>> [...]
>>
>> It comes down to the origin of magnetic fields as a relativistic
>> effect of moving electric fields. This implies that the magnetic flux
>> through the surface of a closed volume always adds up to zero. There
>> have been a few claims to the contrary, but no one ever came up with
>> a solid reproducible demonstration. The corollary is that when you
>> cut a bar magnet into two pieces, you don't get a separate north and
>> south pole, but instead two smaller magnets with their own north and
>> south poles each.
>>
>> It was formalized as one of Maxwell's laws, which, although formulated
>> before relativity, turned out to fit in perfectly.
> 
> I never met Maxi,
> but just did a simpel 2D experiment with some of my litte cubic form super magnets,
> thin iron screwsriver in the middle, 2 magnets same polarity 'in series' at each side at both ends
>                         
>   test
> magnet           M1    M2   S  M3    M4
>   [S/N]          [n/s] [n/s] O [s/n\][s/n]
> 
> 'M' are the square magnets,
> 'S' is the screwriver, bit thinner than the magnets
> Both ends are N and rejected by a similar magnet N
> 
> So it depends on the core
> these magnets:
>   https://panteltje.nl/pub/levitation_cut_img_3051.jpg
> 
> an even thinner screwdriver and the magnets want to re-ajust position,
> but if you fix them in position it still works!
> Simply confirms the black hole thing!
> 
> Try it
> 

OK, go collect your Nobel prize then. ;-)

Jeroen Belleman