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From: Alan <nuh-uh@nope.com>
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On 2024-06-26 11:16, Tom Elam wrote:
> On 6/26/2024 12:53 PM, Alan wrote:
>> On 2024-06-25 10:01, Tom Elam wrote:
>>> Please open the link below. It's the Indiana Driver's Manual. It's 
>>> what new drivers are expected to know when taking their written test.
>>>
>>> https://www.in.gov/bmv/licenses-permits-ids/learners-permits-and-drivers-licenses-overview/learners-permit/drivers-manual/
>>>
>>> You have insisted that the "stay right except to pass" law is a 
>>> critical and must always be obeyed. Read the entire manual. Now 
>>> please cite mention of this specific law in the manual.
>>>
>>> With respect to roundabouts, on page 40:
>>>
>>> "For multi-lane roundabouts where the circular
>>> roadway has more than one lane, drivers should
>>> know which lane they need to be in prior to
>>> entering the roundabout. Drivers should not
>>> change lanes in the circulatory roadway."
>>>
>>> "Signs, pavement markings, or both are
>>> provided to guide drivers to the proper lane
>>> in advance of the circulatory roadway."
>>>
>>> Where does this or any other manual language indicate that regardless 
>>> of traffic conditions the left lane of a 4-lane roundabout cannot be 
>>> used to continue straight if that lane is signposted for 
>>> straight-through use?
>>>
>>> BC has a stray right law too. Please open Google Earth and go to 49 
>>> 15 14.9 N 123 14 28.3 W. This is the intersection of 16th Ave and 
>>> East Mall on the UBC campus. Explain why 16th Ave is signposted for 
>>> straight through traffic in both lanes and both directions. If you 
>>> must stay in the right lane should the 16th Ave left lane be posted 
>>> for left turns only???
>>>
>>> I await your response.
>>
>> I don't know whether this is your inherent dishonesty, or whether 
>> you're just getting senile.
>>
>> We discussed this previously, Liarboy.
>>
>> The issue is that she was in the left lane of two before she ENTERED 
>> the roundabout.
>>
>> And Indiana law is utterly clear that she wasn't supposed to be there.
> 
> I don't know whether this is your inherent dishonesty, or whether you're
> just getting senile.
> 
> We discussed this previously, Liarboy.
> 
> You have failed to cite the law correctly yet again. The law states 
> "Indiana Code 9-21-5-9. (a) A vehicle that travels at a speed less than 
> the established maximum shall travel in the right lanes to provide for 
> better flow of traffic on the interstate highways."
> 
> https://iga.in.gov/laws/2022/ic/titles/9#9-21-5-9
> 
> "Terms Used In Indiana Code 9-21-5-9
> Highway: includes county bridges and state and county roads, unless 
> otherwise expressly provided. See Indiana Code 1-1-4-5"
> 
> 106th Street is a city street. The law does not even apply.
> 
> So, in absence of an applicable regulation the roundabout signage 
> clearly indicates either lane can be used for going straight through. If 
> it was otherwise it would need to be posted for right lane straight or 
> turn right only and left lane for left turn only. You do not need to be 
> in the right lane if the signage indicates you have a choice and 
> prevailing traffic is not trying to pass you.
> 
> We were moving at the traffic's prevailing speed. This has all been 
> explained to you, Liarboy. The other driver was exceeding the prevailing 
> speed, illegally trying to pass us in the right lane to make a left turn 
> at the next exit. For this she was cited for illegal lane use. The wife 
> was in the correct lane and was not cited by an investigating city 
> officer. Even if you apply the law intended for multi-lane interstates 
> and rural highways we were in the correct lane.
> 
> You continue to attempt to ex post facto impose a rule that did not 
> apply to the situation at the time of the accident. Of course you need 
> to do this. You MUST be right.

'Except as provided in subsection (c), a person who knows, or should 
reasonably know, that another vehicle is overtaking from the rear the 
vehicle that the person is operating may not continue to operate the 
vehicle in the left most lane.'

None of the conditions of subsection (c) applied to your wife that day, 
and...

....you don't know that she wasn't travelling at less than "established 
maximum" (unless you could magically have been watching both the car 
behind AND have be keep an eye on the speedometer at the same time)	, and...

....I already cited an Indiana lawyer on this issue:

'In other words, drivers should stay to the right and only use the left 
lane when passing. The driver who remains in the left lane and prevents 
other drivers from lawfully passing them on the left is the one who is 
breaking the law.'

Your wife knew or should have known that a car behind her was travelling 
faster than she was and so should have moved to the right lane.

At which point, the other car moves to the left lane and at the 
roundabout there is no conflict.

Your wife's violation of Indiana Code 9-21-5-9 was a direct factor in 
there being a collision at all.