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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 16:50:52 -0400
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On 6/25/2024 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v5fvh9$1uphg$4@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/25/2024 6:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v5ffk0$1ns3d$8@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v57ep4$3u7ea$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the
>>>>>>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private
>>>>>>>>> property laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people
>>>>>>>>> in the middle of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your
>>>>>>>>> land and doing you harm.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there
>>>>>>>> are other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures
>>>>>>>> in, too.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad
>>>>>>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that
>>>>>>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police station
>>>>>>> and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one attempting to get
>>>>>>> into the farmer's locked truck.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of
>>>>>>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner - and
>>>>>>> I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because he had
>>>>>>> reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck was
>>>>>>> inebriated or of a different ethnicity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ
>>>>>>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would
>>>>>>> remember it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your lawn.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        He yawns and remains seated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do?
>>>>>
>>>>> That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a
>>>>> screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere
>>>>> presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a
>>>>> nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or
>>>>> unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act.
>>>>
>>>> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing
>>>> as "*JUST* holding a gun".
>>
>>> Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals?
>>
>> I don't remember what you're talking about ...but possibly they were
>> threatening deadly force.
> 
> Google it.
> 
> Theirs were among the only stores in those neighborhoods not looted
> and/or burned, so apparently whatever they were threatening, it was
> justified.

Many obscenely wrong measures can be effective without being justified.