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From: moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
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Subject: Re: Criminal Records Expunged for St. Louis Gun Couple
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 17:47:09 -0400
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On 6/26/2024 5:04 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
> In article <v5huvd$2aohk$1@dont-email.me>,
>   moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/25/2024 11:13 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article <v5fvh9$1uphg$4@dont-email.me>,
>>>    moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/25/2024 6:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article <v5ffk0$1ns3d$8@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>     moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/25/2024 3:52 PM, BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>>>> In article <v57ep4$3u7ea$2@dont-email.me>,
>>>>>>>      moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 6/22/2024 1:20 AM, The Horny Goat wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jun 2024 23:13:14 -0400, moviePig <nobody@nowhere.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But we don't care about the law as written, remember? It's only the
>>>>>>>>>>> spirit we should be concerned with. And the spirit of private
>>>>>>>>>>> property laws certainly does allow for warning off mobs of people
>>>>>>>>>>> in the middle of nationwide violent riots from trespassing on your
>>>>>>>>>>> land and doing you harm.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Even if that were (absurdly) the "spirit" of private property, there
>>>>>>>>>> are other laws, including common-sense ones, whose "spirit" figures
>>>>>>>>>> in, too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nevertheless there are few cases in law where a warning to the bad
>>>>>>>>> guys is required. One of the key points in the Bouchie case was that
>>>>>>>>> in was on a farm a minimum of 1/2 hour from the nearest police
>>>>>>>>> station and where 4 drunken people came onto his farm, one
>>>>>>>>> attempting to get into the farmer's locked truck.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In such situations (particularly with no immediate expectation of
>>>>>>>>> police attendance) I'm going to err on the side of the homeowner -
>>>>>>>>> and I wouldn't impose any further burden on the homeowner because
>>>>>>>>> he had reason to believe one or more of the 4 people in their truck
>>>>>>>>> was inebriated or of a different ethnicity.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Colten_Boushie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This particular verdict got roughly the same reaction as the OJ
>>>>>>>>> Simpson case but on a smaller scale and I guarantee Rhino would
>>>>>>>>> remember it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's an instructive (but fictional) example:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     The trespasser steps off the sidewalk and sits down on your
>>>>>>>>     lawn.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     You brandish your gun, saying, "Get off my lawn or I'll shoot."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     He yawns and remains seated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     Comic-book fantasies aside, what do you do?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's why you don't threaten deadly force unless you're willing to use
>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However that's a separate issue from whether just holding a gun as a
>>>>>>> screaming unruly mob-- which is already trespassing by its mere
>>>>>>> presence-- marches up the street toward you in the middle of a
>>>>>>> nationwide paroxysm of violence to which the police seem unwilling or
>>>>>>> unable to stand in opposition is, or ought to be, a criminal act.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the circumstances you yourself paint, there's obviously no such thing
>>>>>> as "*JUST* holding a gun".
>>>>
>>>>> Were the rooftop Koreans during the Rodney King riots criminals?
>>>>
>>>> I don't remember what you're talking about ...but possibly they were
>>>> threatening deadly force.
>>>
>>> Google it.
>>>
>>> Theirs were among the only stores in those neighborhoods not looted
>>> and/or burned, so apparently whatever they were threatening, it was
>>> justified.
>>
>> Many obscenely wrong measures can be effective without being justified.
> 
> So they should have just let their property and livelihoods be destroyed
> to protect the poor wittle rioters from feeling skeered?
> 
> What exactly is "obscenely wrong" about arming yourself in the middle of
> a violent riot and defending yourself and your property?
> 
> Why are you always on the side of the shitbags of this world?

I'm not on anyone's "side" ...and, since I wasn't there, can't even rule 
out what I myself would or wouldn't have done.  What I'm generally 
speaking up for is the last lost vestige of humanity that invariably 
gets trampled by macho revenge-movie fantasies of "cold justice".