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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.os.linux.advocacy Subject: Re: Heroic Game Launcher... BRAVO! Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 00:58:00 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 146 Message-ID: <v5ideo$2d9av$1@dont-email.me> References: <xcjeO.46581$J8n7.33960@fx12.iad> <tagj7j9rs89524n48kmvpi901u3cpt8on2@4ax.com> <rVjeO.119341$Kxzd.44312@fx15.iad> <2rij7jtjt58keutm8cedbnghgv445pthj7@4ax.com> <lxkeO.155852$eX68.121507@fx18.iad> <rdrj7jl5vqpp7ib5skbarragko43mb0700@4ax.com> <QJmeO.13257$S_52.4415@fx08.iad> <v5ebfn$1hofv$2@dont-email.me> <%jzeO.125458$7NFd.43488@fx16.iad> <v5emj6$1js5v$1@dont-email.me> <v5fo89$1pj51$7@dont-email.me> <v5grsr$23k0t$3@dont-email.me> <v5hd69$26q5q$4@dont-email.me> <v5hll5$28vb2$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 02:58:01 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="a706c830bdff31e9e58dcff5e671f469"; logging-data="2532703"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18g2LUwNoyTIYDLDp6zJibQ" User-Agent: slrn/1.0.3 (Linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:23UZfy71pPkEOQXce8zs92zg+AA= Bytes: 9194 On 2024-06-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: > RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: > >> On 2024-06-26, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >>> RonB wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: >>> >>>> On 2024-06-25, Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> wrote: >>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: >>>>> >>>>>> On 2024-06-25 07:59, Chris Ahlstrom wrote: >>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote this copyrighted missive and expects royalties: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 2024-06-24 18:06, chrisv wrote: >>>>>>>>> Andrzej Matuch wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Considering how Darwin's Theory of Evolution is complete excrement which >>>>>>>>>> can be debunked in seven seconds, God is the best explanation for >>>>>>>>>> everything around us. <https://www.discovery.org/a/10661/> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's some kooky shit, there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Indeed, they pretty much have no idea. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Feel free to believe the contrary, countless Darwinists have too only to >>>>>>>> eventually realize that the theory that has consumed their entire lives >>>>>>>> needs constant lies to be supported. We're supposed to believe that life >>>>>>>> emerged from nothing even though that is scientifically impossible, and >>>>>>>> that a series of mutations, all beneficial, led to us becoming what we >>>>>>>> are today. Meanwhile, mutations are almost always negative and/or fatal. >>>>>>>> We're also supposed to believe that we evolved from apes even though it >>>>>>>> would take several hundred million mutations, all beneficial, for them >>>>>>>> to turn into us. This is somehow science even though it is not only >>>>>>>> contrary to all scientific laws but logic. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :-D >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You find it far easier to believe in a universal invisible entity that >>>>>>> has a thing for mankind, than to believe in some natural results of physics and >>>>>>> chemistry. It's not all "mutations", bub. >>>>>> >>>>>> That is the point though: Darwinism _ignores_ physics, chemistry, >>>>>> genetics and the rest to reach its conclusion. >>>>> >>>>> Darwinism, IIRC, doesn't speculate on the cause of changes, only that they do >>>>> occur and some yield a higher probability of survival. >>>> >>>> Unfortunately that's not good science. That's guesswork or speculation. But >>>> atheistic "scientists" (so-called) glommed on to it because it gave them an >>>> alternative to God. >>>> >>>>> But speciation is not just about survival. For example, a population (say, >>>>> insects) that gets divided all of a sudden by some natural barrier, will start >>>>> to grow ever more different, and ultimately cannot interbreed. >>>> >>>> That's called adaptation, or "micro-evolution." That's not what >>>> evolutionists mean when they speak of evolution, where (for example) a >>>> land-bound lizard turns into a flying bird. That's called "macro-evolution." >>>> One does not lead into the other. For evolution to make sense we have to >>>> have a lot better explanations for so-called "macro-evolution" then we >>>> currently have. >>>> >>>> I won't be holding my breath. >>> >>> LMAO at "macro-evolution". You don't even know what it is. >> >> Actually I do. But why don't give me your explanation? > > This one seems reasonable: > > Macroevolution refers to evolution of groups larger than an individual. > Macroevolution encompasses the grandest trends and transformations in > evolution, such as the origin of mammals and the radiation of flowering > plants. > > And micro does indeed lead to macro. Quantum leaps in evolution aren't common. You're quoting one school of supposed "macroevolution." Since this is believed by faith it's not science (Gould used the *lack* of fossil evidence to argue for his particular theory) — either way, it's a faith-based "explanation." One question that looms over philosophical work on macroevolutionary theory is how macroevolution and microevolution are related. One view, which is closely associated with the modern synthesis, is that macroevolutionary patterns are fully explicable in terms of microevolutionary processes. On this view, macroevolution is “nothing but” successive rounds of microevolution (a formulation due to Grantham 2007). Stephen Jay Gould pejoratively referred to this kind of view as “extrapolationism” (Gould 2002). This issue links up with more general philosophical questions about the potential reduction of higher-level biological phenomena to lower levels (Oppenheimer & Putnam 1958; Fodor 1974; Kitcher 1984; Sarkar 1992, Rosenberg 1997). This is from an article on the "Philosophy of Macroevolution." Note the use of the words "philosophy" and "view," (in other words, belief). These are terms used in the realm of faith, not science. So here the "modern synthesis" (a compromise between the belief in punctuated equilibrium vs the old gradual evolution "orthodoxy") is a compromise between two opposing positions. The fact that they can compromise on their beliefs means they don't really know. They "assume" there *is* a compromise because they believe (by faith) that there is the "fact" of evolution (even though they can't explain which particular theory is "factual"). It's an attempt to heal the rift in their religious beliefs opened by Gould (and others) in the 1970s. Here's a bit more of their philosophy (also from the article's Introduction). Since the 1970s, theorizing about macroevolution has focused on several important ideas: punctuated equilibria, species selection, hierarchical theory, historical contingency, passive vs. driven evolutionary trends, major evolutionary transitions, and more recently the zero-force evolutionary law (or ZFEL) defended by McShea and Brandon (2010). One philosophical challenge is to understand the relationships among these ideas; another is to work out what they might mean for the relationship between macro- and microevolution. The fossil record is the chief source of empirical evidence concerning macroevolutionary patterns, and so macroevolutionary theory is closely associated with paleontology. In addition to questions of macroevolutionary theory per se, there are also epistemological questions about how paleontologists infer pattern from process, and how they correct for biases in the fossil data (Bokulich forthcoming). In addition, the distinction between macroevolution and microevolution sometimes mirrors the distinction between paleontology, with its focus on the fossil record, and neontology, with its focus on observable, extant populations. For this reason, metaphysical questions about the relationship between macro- and microevolution are sometimes difficult to disentangle from epistemological questions about what sorts of things can be inferred from different evidence bases. And here we find the term "metaphysical" in reference to supposed "science." (rbowman might find that interesting.) If you want to wade through the whole article on macroevolution "philosophy" you can find it here... https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/macroevolution/ Personally I'm not that interested in their arguments for the particular tenets of their various sects in the wider Evolution Religion. -- [Self-centered, Woke] "pride is a life of self-destructive fakery, an entrapment to a false and self-created matrix of twisted unreality." "It was pride that changed angels into devils..." — St. Augustine