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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder9.news.weretis.net!news.nk.ca!rocksolid2!i2pn2.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 --- Why Lie? -- Repeat until Closure Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:21:20 -0400 Organization: i2pn2 (i2pn.org) Message-ID: <v5ieqg$17ej0$4@i2pn2.org> References: <v598l4$c4if$1@dont-email.me> <v5cuta$10m6o$2@i2pn2.org> <v5d0bf$162m0$1@dont-email.me> <v5d188$10m6p$6@i2pn2.org> <v5d1ev$16a8b$1@dont-email.me> <v5d1mm$10m6o$8@i2pn2.org> <v5d3b4$16k7k$1@dont-email.me> <v5d4gj$10m6o$9@i2pn2.org> <v5d81s$17fhi$1@dont-email.me> <v5d8fr$10m6o$12@i2pn2.org> <v5d9iv$1bem6$2@dont-email.me> <v5d9s6$10m6p$10@i2pn2.org> <v5daji$1bll8$1@dont-email.me> <v5db62$10m6o$13@i2pn2.org> <v5dckm$1bteo$1@dont-email.me> <v5e87h$12a1a$2@i2pn2.org> <v5ef4n$1ihbr$1@dont-email.me> <v5frvi$14bcm$4@i2pn2.org> <v5fslr$1uc3o$1@dont-email.me> <v5fto2$14bcm$9@i2pn2.org> <v5fu06$1umhr$1@dont-email.me> <v5fvtf$14bcn$3@i2pn2.org> <v5g1nr$1v8bm$1@dont-email.me> <v5g24k$14bcm$10@i2pn2.org> <v5g2ds$1v8bm$3@dont-email.me> <v5gs85$15l89$1@i2pn2.org> <v5h5c4$24jbd$9@dont-email.me> <v5i8vg$17ej1$3@i2pn2.org> <v5i9fh$2cko8$2@dont-email.me> <v5i9j2$17ej0$2@i2pn2.org> <v5ibfc$2cko8$5@dont-email.me> <v5icdm$17ej1$7@i2pn2.org> <v5ie9f$2dcfs$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 01:21:20 -0000 (UTC) Injection-Info: i2pn2.org; logging-data="1292896"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@i2pn2.org"; posting-account="diqKR1lalukngNWEqoq9/uFtbkm5U+w3w6FQ0yesrXg"; User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 In-Reply-To: <v5ie9f$2dcfs$1@dont-email.me> Bytes: 3958 Lines: 51 On 6/26/24 9:12 PM, olcott wrote: > On 6/26/2024 7:40 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >> On 6/26/24 8:24 PM, olcott wrote: >>> On 6/26/2024 6:52 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> >>> Mike understands how your use of static variables is cheating. >>> Others here will be baffled and confused. >>> >> >> But the rules are the rules, and you can't create rules you didn't state. >> > > If you really have such brain damage that you cannot remember > that we already discussed this and closed it I will start > praying for you. And if I am allowed, or even required to remember that, then I can remember that your Hs are all designed to be Halt Deciders, and thus the only correct behavior for their input is that of the direct execution of the program the input represents. > > YOU CAN'T FREAKING USE ANY STATIC LOCAL VARIABLES TO > CHANGE THE BEHAVIOR AND YOU KNOW WHY YOU CAN'T USE > THEM SO FREAKING QUIT IT !!! > > _DDD() > [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping > [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping > [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD > [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call H0(DDD) > [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 > [00002182] 5d pop ebp > [00002183] c3 ret > Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] > > The call from DDD to H0(DDD) when DDD is correctly emulated > by x86 emulator H0 cannot possibly return. > > But it does, it just isn't emulated by H0. The "Correct Behavior" is not limited by the PARTIAL simulation done by H0. If H0 stops simulating and returns, it does not complete the CORRECT EMULATION of the input as defined, and thus can make no comment of the future that it can not prove. And, since the complete and correct emulation of the input does return if H0 ever returns an answer, it is impossible for it to correct say it doesn't. You just don't understand the meaning of the word you are using