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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 -- Ben agrees that Sipser approved
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 21:00:56 -0500
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On 6/26/2024 8:15 PM, Mike Terry wrote:
> On 27/06/2024 01:42, Richard Damon wrote:
>> On 6/26/24 8:20 PM, olcott wrote:
>>> On 6/26/2024 6:55 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>> On 6/26/24 7:46 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>> On 6/26/2024 6:41 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/26/24 9:42 AM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/26/2024 6:02 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 6/25/24 11:42 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That is not the way that it actually works.
>>>>>>>>> That the the way that lies are defined.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Source for you claim?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Where is you finite set of steps from the truthmakers of the 
>>>>>>>> system to that claim?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _DDD()
>>>>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call H0(DDD)
>>>>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp
>>>>>>> [00002183] c3               ret
>>>>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The call from DDD to H0(DDD) when DDD is correctly emulated
>>>>>>> by H0 cannot possibly return.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure it can. I have shown an H0 that does so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I already told you that example does not count.
>>>>>
>>>>> I can't keep repeating those details or others
>>>>> that so far have no idea what an x86 emulator is
>>>>> will be baffled beyond all hope of comprehension.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> WHy not?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We have already been over that you know that you cheated.
>>>
>>
>> Nope, since you didn't put in the rule, and if you had it would have 
>> shown that you lied, as if H0 is a pure function then the call to H0 
>> emulated by H0 needs to have the same behaivor as the direct call to 
>> H0 by main.
> 
> Incidentally, the nonconformance you're referring to is shown explicitly 
> in the "195 page trace" that PO linked to.  [I.e. the simulated H does 
> not correctly track the code path of the outer H.]
> 
> Mike.
> 
> 

I think that it does.
I checked it all over again and I think that it always did.

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