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Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: DDD correctly emulated by H0 -- Ben agrees that Sipser approved criteria is met Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:34:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 37 Message-ID: <v5imki$2ie27$2@dont-email.me> References: <v45tec$4q15$1@dont-email.me> <v575pl$3sg5p$1@dont-email.me> <v5767s$3soh6$1@dont-email.me> <v5e28t$11urb$5@i2pn2.org> <v5eg03$1ikpr$2@dont-email.me> <v5eho7$24l4$1@news.muc.de> <87jzidm83f.fsf@bsb.me.uk> <v5el8c$24l4$4@news.muc.de> <v5evoi$1lgoi$1@dont-email.me> <v5frvn$14bcm$6@i2pn2.org> <v5ft1p$1uc3o$2@dont-email.me> <v5fu24$14bcn$2@i2pn2.org> <v5fuf7$1up2o$1@dont-email.me> <v5fvvk$14bcn$4@i2pn2.org> <v5g1ue$1v8bm$2@dont-email.me> <v5g29u$14bcm$11@i2pn2.org> <v5g2nd$1v8bm$4@dont-email.me> <v5gsfv$15l89$2@i2pn2.org> <v5h5sd$24jbd$10@dont-email.me> <v5i8v9$17ej1$2@i2pn2.org> <v5i998$2cko8$1@dont-email.me> <v5i9ot$17ej0$3@i2pn2.org> <v5ib7n$2cko8$4@dont-email.me> <v5ichc$17ej1$8@i2pn2.org> <5nSdnSkMN76jIOH7nZ2dnZfqnPidnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <yumdnWJaTZk7XeH7nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v5igku$17ej0$5@i2pn2.org> <XpCdnbOhAMLeVOH7nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk> <v5ijcs$17ej1$11@i2pn2.org> <v5ik3e$2i32s$2@dont-email.me> <v5iliq$17ej1$14@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2024 05:34:42 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="d7b6b7ddfe8775f34f568700240d9d1b"; logging-data="2701383"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX19xpyb1m6gcYTpEmRLHmkuv" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:YllRCWmbDEcgLXdvwC2pfLWu3bo= In-Reply-To: <v5iliq$17ej1$14@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3224 On 6/26/2024 10:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/26/24 10:51 PM, olcott wrote: >> >> Is disabled. It is commented out. >> It was only ever used so that humans could see the depth. > > But, if it can measure the fact that this is the top level decider, that > means that it sees something that it can't know. > The top level decider simply reaches its infinite recursion behavior pattern first. It need not know that it is first. > EVERY level of dicider should think that it is, or at least could be, > the top level, as it can't know any differently. > That Is how they work. >> >>>> a decider shouldn't be >>> able to know that it isn't the top level decider. >> >> This doesn't have any effect on its computation thus irrelevant. >> > > It does if it knows that it isn't being simulated, which is knowledge > that no simulated machine is allowed to have, as that means the > simulation isn't correct. BY DEFINITION. It only knows this to decide whether to call Allocate or not. It never uses this for anything else. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer