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From: The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Erratic GPS
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2024 22:46:31 -0700
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On 6/26/24 8:15 PM, Andrew wrote:
> The Real Bev wrote on Tue, 25 Jun 2024 08:20:29 -0700 :
> 
>>> Q: When you're tracking someone else, does "snapping to objects" apply?
>>> A: ???
>> 
>> Don't know.  If it's a setting I never saw it.  If it snaps that's OK 
>> because we're pretty much ALWAYS on major roads.
> 
> I've been using GPS in vehicles since they were first sold to consumers,
> and in those days, the location did not snap to the roads.
> 
> Note that those GPS apps were on the Windows PC, where the tracking did not
> correspond to roads.
> 
> Hence, you often found yourself appear to be driving in a lake or on the
> side of the road or in water outside a bridge, etc., before they invented
> the snapping they do today.
> 
> I think your problem, based on what I know and what you said, could be
> purely due to the lack of snapping in the computer app that you're using -
> but I'm just trying to help you so I'm only informing you that it's a
> distinct possibility.
> 
>>> I use GPS mostly in two situations, where I think I know where "The Real
>>> Bev" is having difficulties so allow me to try to patiently explain.
>>> 
>>> When "The Real Bev" is driving on a road, she is perhaps not aware that the
>>> blue location dot is "snapping" to "objects" (usually roads) on that map.
>>> 
>>> So, while driving, even at breakneck speeds around hairpin turns (which,
>>> I'm sure she doesn't do - but you get the point), the blue location dot
>>> serenely follows the roads without much of a deviation off the beaten path.
>>> 
>>> But that's due to snapping.
>>> Not GPS.
>> 
>> Seems irrelevant to the problem at hand.
> 
> It's relevant because without snapping, the GPS track bounces all over,
> which is what you're describing is happening.
> 
> My suggestion is to check if the app you're using to track is not snapping.
> 
>>> 
>>> Now, I hike. I'm in the Santa Cruz Mountains which are rugged (hell, a guy
>>> just this weekend was lost for ten days and he didn't run into a soul).
>>>   <https://www.santacruzsentinel.com/2024/06/21/boulder-creek-man-rescued-from-remote-canyon-after-nine-day-search/>
>> 
>> If he had enough water but no food I would suspect that hyponatremia 
>> would have occurred.  Apparently not.  A former SC resident said that if 
>> he'd just kept walking downhill he would have come to a road.
> 
> Technically, 3000KCal is a pound, and people burn about half that a day,
> but let's make the math simple by saying he was doing strenuou hiking so
> we'll assume he burned 3000KCal per day, which in 10 days would be 30
> pounds, which, coincidentally, is exactly how much weight they said he
> lost.
> 
> As a side note, people who eat three square meals a day think it's required
> mostly because of advertising like "Breakfast is the most important meal of
> the day" (which is complete bullshit).
> 
> If a person is 100 pounds overweight, at 3000 KCal per pound, and assuming
> a normal 1500 KCal burned per day, they could theoretically go for 200 days
> without eating and, other than the nutritional issues (which, I am well
> aware, are the real problem), they would not be starving to death.
> 
> People don't realize humans (and most mammals) are designed to go long
> periods without food. But this is an aside...
> 
>>> When hiking in rugged backcountry, with just GPS, the track I lay down
>>> bounces widely all over the place (just as The Real Bev is insinuating).
>>> 
>>> (Note that with back-country hiking, Wi-Fi precision scanning wouldn't do
>>> much good, nor would cellular tower triangulation - given the remoteness.)
>>> 
>>> Having explained that The Real Bev may not be aware of "snapping to
>>> objects", I must say I don't track other people on my own maps.
>> 
>> This is a family thing.
> 
> Oh. Don't get me wrong. I was not chastising you. I was simply remarking
> that I don't have experience with 2nd-party tracking of the 1st party.
> 
> My point was only that the 2nd-party tracking app might not be smart enough
> to track to roads. That's all.
>   
>>> So I ask the group at large this basic question related to her question:
>>> 
>>> Q: When you're tracking someone else, does "snapping to objects" apply?

I think OSMand has a 'snap' setting, but I haven't used it for a long 
time since it REALLY eats the battery.

> I suspect that lack of snapping "might" be the problem The Real Bev is
> indicating - but it's only my best guess based on the data I have at hand.

Not really.  Imagine 100 miles of interstate in Los Angeles County. 
Cell towers up the kazoo.  I show up on my family's google map in Place 
A.  Although I am driving west at 80mph my dot/image is stuck in Place A 
for 20 minutes.  Maybe an hour.  Every once in a while my location might 
update and then just sits there for some time period.  Wash, rinse, 
repeat. This is the problem. Hubby worries about me unnecessarily, 
especially when I seem to be stuck in a place there is no reason to be 
stuck in other than total disaster.

This is standard.  I am NEVER (except momentarily while under 
overpasses) out of line-of-sight of the satellites. My data SIM connects 
to T-Mobile roaming, and T-Mobile coverage claims to be perfect on 
interstates, although it's really spotty in rural and mountain areas.

The path recorded by my Ski Tracks app (not battery hungry) is accurate 
while skiing, walking and driving within yards, I would guess.  Hard to 
tell because you just don't know exactly where you were 2 hours (or even 
2 minutes) ago.


-- 
Cheers, Bev
    No lawyering.  Prosecutors will be violated.