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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> Newsgroups: rec.bicycles.tech Subject: Re: Disc brake maintenance tips Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 10:31:07 +0200 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 249 Message-ID: <v5lscb$37l2g$3@dont-email.me> References: <v59bqc$cir2$3@dont-email.me> <4peh7jds7q52sbdfei4rile29egc94hgqk@4ax.com> <v5afah$j22n$1@dont-email.me> <v5ako2$nid4$5@dont-email.me> <v5bs67$um0n$2@dont-email.me> <v5c3mp$103ps$2@dont-email.me> <adkeO.59254$yMc7.22919@fx09.ams4> <v5d4p7$16kh5$3@dont-email.me> <8vveO.482643$ujOb.211902@fx16.ams4> <v5eo1q$1k3fd$1@dont-email.me> <i51fO.75891$yMc7.27756@fx09.ams4> <v5im63$2i8fp$1@dont-email.me> <vs9q7j9pb8d8iif8aon9945hcfv22ee0qa@4ax.com> <v5jtva$2pgrs$1@dont-email.me> <sd1r7jddur68u9rgd4fn4auih5tv4ntulg@4ax.com> <afhfO.102491$4k58.34921@fx08.ams4> <v5k92s$2r55q$1@dont-email.me> <MUjfO.164545$WOa6.71031@fx14.ams4> <v5kq62$2uhk6$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 10:31:07 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="dd3d47ac8c88d85a469ddf8b8087f84e"; logging-data="3396688"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/azUfz+Hfs5TDM+Uo+ks+V" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:y0VOXXuZKivRFDdIwnG/0gsPLu8= In-Reply-To: <v5kq62$2uhk6$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 12390 Am 27.06.2024 um 23:39 schrieb AMuzi: > On 6/27/2024 3:25 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >> AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote: >>> On 6/27/2024 12:24 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>> Catrike Ryder <Soloman@old.bikers.org> wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 27 Jun 2024 16:46:02 +0200, Rolf Mantel >>>>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Am 27.06.2024 um 11:01 schrieb Catrike Ryder: >>>>>>> On Wed, 26 Jun 2024 23:26:59 -0400, Frank Krygowski >>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 6/26/2024 7:01 PM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> On 6/25/2024 4:48 AM, Roger Merriman wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm sure Youngstown's bike mode share is minuscule, just >>>>>>>>>>>> like almost all >>>>>>>>>>>> U.S. cities. Remember, the national average is far below one >>>>>>>>>>>> percent. >>>>>>>>>>>> And despite all the "innovative" segregated infrastructure, >>>>>>>>>>>> it's falling. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Again national mode share particularly the US with a >>>>>>>>>>> significant rural >>>>>>>>>>> population is not a useful metric. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Cities are where its at, and probably 5 mile or less journeys. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That may be true. But data for U.S. cities is not much better. I >>>>>>>>>> frequent four or five medium to large U.S. cities. Only one has a >>>>>>>>>> noticeable amount of bike use, and the great bulk of that is >>>>>>>>>> connected >>>>>>>>>> with several inner-city colleges. Two others have extensive >>>>>>>>>> bike lanes >>>>>>>>>> that are always empty of bikes. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That is one of the reasons london and other places have >>>>>>>>> automatic counters >>>>>>>>> as they knew darn well that taxi etc would say I never see a >>>>>>>>> bike! This >>>>>>>>> said clearly london is doing rather better and more than US >>>>>>>>> cities let >>>>>>>>> alone number of European cities. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Essentially bikes dont clump up in the same way as cars etc do. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is not some visual deception. A couple years ago my wife >>>>>>>> and I did >>>>>>>> a multi-day vacation in a large Ohio city, visiting museums, >>>>>>>> shopping >>>>>>>> centers, bike shops, etc. We saw miles and miles of bike lanes, but >>>>>>>> almost zero bikes using them. Near the very center of the >>>>>>>> downtown we >>>>>>>> saw some electric scooters in bike lanes, but no bikes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Fundamentally, very few Americans bike for utility. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Why is it falling? I suspect one factor is the constant >>>>>>>>>>>> propaganda >>>>>>>>>>>> claiming everyone NEEDS a barrier-segregated facility to be >>>>>>>>>>>> safe on a >>>>>>>>>>>> bike. That tells almost everybody "You can't ride a bike >>>>>>>>>>>> until that >>>>>>>>>>>> stuff gets built." IOW, never. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thats clutching at straws really is! dont think the massive >>>>>>>>>>> increase in >>>>>>>>>>> car sizes/volumes car centric infrastructure? To name but a >>>>>>>>>>> few over the >>>>>>>>>>> last 70 so years? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> You can't deny that there have also been massive increases in >>>>>>>>>> "innovative" bike facilities! And car size is largely irrelevant. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Car size absolutely has its issues mainly width, and blocking >>>>>>>>> views. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Most of the cycle lanes have been some bike symbols or painted >>>>>>>>> lanes or >>>>>>>>> possibly some disjointed shared paths. Only segregated stuff >>>>>>>>> seems to have >>>>>>>>> been alongside major roads which only exist as they need to >>>>>>>>> keep access see >>>>>>>>> my old 1959 cycleway as example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And very little if anything innovative, more box ticking. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Innovative" doesn't impress me. Quite the opposite, in fact. >>>>>>>> It's the >>>>>>>> "innovative" stuff that includes collision hazards or wheel >>>>>>>> deflection >>>>>>>> hazards for the cyclists. It's the "innovative" stuff that sends >>>>>>>> cyclists wrong-way into intersections. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And as I've said before, the "Paint & Path" fans have been >>>>>>>> moving the >>>>>>>> goalposts for decades. "Bike lane stripes will get people out of >>>>>>>> their >>>>>>>> cars!" But when that didn't happen, "Buffered bike lanes will >>>>>>>> get people >>>>>>>> out of their cars!" When that didn't happen "Green paint will >>>>>>>> get people >>>>>>>> out of their cars!" When that didn't happen, "Flex post barriers >>>>>>>> will >>>>>>>> get people out of their cars!" When that didn't happen "Concrete >>>>>>>> barriers will get people out of their cars!" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Innovation after innovation has been provided, as demanded. >>>>>>>> People are >>>>>>>> still massively preferring cars to bikes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And despite ever more lanes, paths, green paint, barriers, etc. >>>>>>>> bike >>>>>>>> mode share is falling. See >>>>>>>> https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/09/27/biking-to-work-isn-t-gaining-any-ground-in-the-us/67b4a9e2-5d32-11ee-b961-94e18b27be28_story.html >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or see >>>>>>>> https://data.bikeleague.org/data/national-rates-of-biking-and-walking/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Or see >>>>>>>> https://activetrans.org/busreports/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/2020regionalmodesharereport.pdf >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It really isnt because someone said its dangerous to ride a >>>>>>>>> bike or they >>>>>>>>> should wear a helmet. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So you say. But people regularly report that they think >>>>>>>> bicycling is too >>>>>>>> dangerous. And they are frequently told that without special >>>>>>>> facilities, >>>>>>>> bicycling is too dangerous. I'm surprised you don't admit the >>>>>>>> possibility of a causative link. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> People believe riding in vehicle traffic is dangerous because >>>>>>> they can >>>>>>> see for themselves that it is, not because of someone telling them >>>>>>> that it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> I know that people do not have a sense for "dangerous", they only >>>>>> have a >>>>>> sense for "scary". Scary is "potentially dangerous and very >>>>>> visible". >>>>>> >>>>>> The main difference can be called "traps": dangerous but not scary >>>>>> because they are almost invisible. >>>>>> >>>>>> Most scary situations in traffic pose little real danger: the >>>>>> truck as >>>>>> opposed to the lion is not out to get you. It is out to avoid >>>>>> hitting >>>>>> you. >>>>>> Therefore, in traffic you should behave opposite to in nature. It >>>>>> might >>>>>> be meaningful to hide from a lion but it is most >>>>>> counter-productive to >>>>>> hide from a truck. >>>>>> >>>>>> So in traffic the dangerous situations are traps: the cyclist should >>>>>> *learn* what is dangerous, like a trapper (because the drivers >>>>>> might not >>>>>> see you in time) rather than feel intutively what is scary. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rolf >>>>> >>>>> Having been in automobile accidents (none of them my fault) I know >>>>> what's dangerous. My experience says that drivers (and bicyclists) not >>>>> paying attention is very dangerous. If we could clear that one ========== REMAINDER OF ARTICLE TRUNCATED ==========