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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Molecular Dating: The turd that won't go away Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:47:07 -0400 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 52 Sender: to%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v5n7gc$3go9g$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5l951$35571$1@dont-email.me> <b8GdnSut7s8w3-P7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <30c1a965-d1cd-43fd-abfc-488dd64d1a95@gmail.com> <MtqdnWz-AtX4JeP7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="90953"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/91.0 SeaMonkey/2.53.18.2 To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:fELsFnOkA2UInGW+xANkMf+RKBA= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id 8555B229870; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:46:44 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A80522986E for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:46:42 -0400 (EDT) id 2BE5F7D12A; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 20:47:12 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay.zaccari.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A2FD7D128 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 20:47:11 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AD6695F731 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 20:47:09 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/AD6695F731; dmarc=fail (p=none dis=none) header.from=gmail.com id 2CC5CDC01A9; Fri, 28 Jun 2024 22:47:09 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 22:47:09 +0200 (CEST) In-Reply-To: <MtqdnWz-AtX4JeP7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19VfX3N3IfmgydHggtlun8sFPSCczZCm64= FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD,FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN, FREEMAIL_FROM,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS,NICE_REPLY_A, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4492 John Harshman wrote: > On 6/27/24 10:06 PM, erik simpson wrote: >> On 6/27/24 9:57 PM, John Harshman wrote: >>> On 6/27/24 8:02 PM, JTEM wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://getpocket.com/explore/item/what-the-3-2-million-year-old-lucy-fossil-reveals-about-nudity-and-shame >>>> >>>> >>>> : Technological advancements in genetic analysis suggest that Lucy >>>> : may have been naked, or at least much more thinly veiled. >>>> >>>> They're talking about "Molecular Clock" nonsense. >>>> >>>> : According to the coevolutionary tale of humans and their lice, >>>> >>>> No such "Tale" exists. >>>> >>>> : our immediate ancestors lost most of their body fur 3 to 4 million >>>> : years ago and did not don clothing until 83,000 to 170,000 years ago. >>>> >>>> Pure fiction. >>>> >>>> DNA is notoriously troublesome, when it comes to dating. It assumes >>>> a "Clock like" static rate which is pure fantasy. Effectively it >>>> ignores SELECTION. >>>> >>>> "Isolation is the engine of evolution," to quote the good Doctor, and >>>> in isolation the genetic profile -- what is typical -- can change >>>> within a generation. See: Founder Effect. >>>> >>>> Any "Bottleneck" could and in all but absolute certainty WOULD also >>>> result in such a "Founder Effect." >>>> >>>> The point is, these things EXAGGERATE age, when some mythical >>>> "Molecular Clock" is applied. The changes took over quickly from >>>> this "Founder Effect" but they are assumed to have accumulated at >>>> a very low "Clock like" rate. >>>> >>>> Besides, Lucy wasn't an ancestor. Ask the good Doctor about that. >>> >>> Who is "the good Doctor"? >>> >> A certain Belgian. >> > Hercule Poirot? Leopold II? Lamoral, count of Egmont. William Hyde >