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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: Snopes Finally Debunks Left-Wing Claim of "Very Fine People" in Charlottesville
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 21:16:23 -0000 (UTC)
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shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), Adam H. Kerman <ahk@chinet.com>:
>>BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:

>>>It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since been done, but
>>>the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and admitted the
>>>whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a hoax. I have
>>>no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose?

>>>https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

>>Eh

>>It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried
>>himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored it, or
>>limited his comments to condemning the murder.

>>I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high
>>moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides had
>>pretty low morals.

>>I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments making
>>the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the
>>neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing
>>history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to look
>>the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never forget
>>that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the modern
>>politics of that era.

>People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of those
>people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues
>or the timing is brought up that often.

Erecting a monument is always about contemporary politics; the honor to
the subject of the monument is a secondary consideration. In this case,
it was either to enforce politics of the Jim Crow era, or since the
1950s, to deny federal desegregation efforts.

It wasn't about military history.

>Certainly I never knew growing
>up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual
>reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and put
>more effort into teaching the history behind their erection.

Sure.

Let's always remember the greatness of the antebellum South, even if we
must heavily fictionalize it, for it existed for all too fleeting a
period and is Gone With the Wind.

I'm not getting the movie quote quite right.

>Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people forget
>what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after
>leaving school.

>>I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong.

>Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in
>the hopes that we don't repeat them.