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Path: ...!feed.opticnetworks.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory Subject: Re: 197 page execution trace of DDD incorrectly simulated by HHH Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 16:52:17 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 93 Message-ID: <v5nbah$3h58i$1@dont-email.me> References: <v4vrfg$2793f$1@dont-email.me> <v5f3j8$1m2fl$2@dont-email.me> <v5f54f$1lp16$3@dont-email.me> <v5f5sd$1mcif$1@dont-email.me> <v5ght9$21jrt$1@dont-email.me> <v5h3rd$24jbd$6@dont-email.me> <v5jbub$2m18t$1@dont-email.me> <v5k72o$2qsdr$4@dont-email.me> <v5lqul$386u3$1@dont-email.me> <v5mgd9$3cds2$1@dont-email.me> <v5mi5t$3cmj8$1@dont-email.me> <v5mj8m$3cibm$3@dont-email.me> <v5mobr$1d3t3$3@i2pn2.org> <v5mv5n$3f3fn$1@dont-email.me> <v5n2n4$1d3t3$11@i2pn2.org> <v5n8e9$3gt9c$1@dont-email.me> <v5n9ph$2i0b$1@news.muc.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2024 23:52:18 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8e198617313100a552662932ac49ce17"; logging-data="3708178"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+TFXoTinuEl22RULAO8kO2" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:wBd9PkVK+HJFfJdjTfENvCNn67E= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v5n9ph$2i0b$1@news.muc.de> Bytes: 5086 On 6/28/2024 4:26 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> wrote: >> On 6/28/2024 2:25 PM, joes wrote: >>> Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 13:24:55 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>> On 6/28/2024 11:28 AM, joes wrote: >>>>> Am Fri, 28 Jun 2024 10:01:41 -0500 schrieb olcott: >>>>>> On 6/28/2024 9:43 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>> Op 28.jun.2024 om 16:12 schreef olcott: >>>>>>>> On 6/28/2024 3:06 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >>>>>>>>> Op 27.jun.2024 om 19:21 schreef olcott: > >>>>>>>>>> The call from DDD to H0(DDD) when DDD is correctly emulated by x86 >>>>>>>>>> emulator H0 cannot possibly return. >>>>>> That is counter-factual. HHH(DDD) does correctly emulate the call from >>>>>> DDD to HHH(DDD) emulating itself emulating DDD. >>> You are really immune to contradictions, are you? > >>>> HHH correctly emulates DDD including emulating itself emulating DDD and >>>> sees that this proves that DDD is stuck in recursive simulation thus >>>> aborts DDD and correctly returns 0 indicating it has rejected its input >>>> according to this criterion: >>> If it were able to correctly simulate itself it would see that its >>> recursive call also aborts, and could accept DDD as halting. > > >> *You might just be too dumb to comprehend this* > > The gratuitous insult is uncalled for. It's quite clear that Joes > understands the matter adequately. > IDK. You only started treating me more reasonably after I started taking the harsher tone. Before then it seems that people thought they could get away with bullying me. I am very happy the Joe Biden finally came out and called Trump a liar. >> <MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> >> If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D >> until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never >> stop running unless aborted then > >> H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D >> specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations. >> </MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022> > > But it seems you're not clever enough to understand the above. > Objectively I am a genius. > Professor Sipser would have agreed to these words knowing that the first > "if" clause, with its "correctly simulates" can never hold. That seems to be a very stupid thing to say in light of these two examples: void Infinite_Loop() { HERE: goto HERE; } void Infinite_Recursion() { Infinite_Recursion(); } > He would > have wanted to get you, a crank, off his back so that he could continue > uninterrupted with his work. In light of the very stupid mistake that you just made it seems that you are probably stupidly wrong on this assessment too. He agreed that I could quote him in my papers. It is as some reviewers have noted a tautology. > He surely has real students who want to > learn, to teach. Agreeing to that vacuous truth, which wouldn't stain > his conscience, seems to have been effective. You appear not to have > troubled Professor Sipser in over a year. > From what I recall your replies are not typically as stupid as this reply. I thought that I remember your feedback was of a much higher quality. >> -- >> Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius >> hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer > -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer