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Subject: Re: Snopes Finally Debunks Left-Wing Claim of "Very Fine People" in
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Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2024 13:15:35 -0400
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On 6/29/2024 1:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
> On 6/29/2024 12:22 PM, trotsky wrote:
>> On 6/28/24 5:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 6/28/2024 5:10 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since been 
>>>>>> done, but
>>>>>> the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and 
>>>>>> admitted the
>>>>>> whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a 
>>>>>> hoax. I have
>>>>>> no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose?
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
>>>>>
>>>>> Eh
>>>>>
>>>>> It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried
>>>>> himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored 
>>>>> it, or
>>>>> limited his comments to condemning the murder.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high
>>>>> moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides had
>>>>> pretty low morals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments making
>>>>> the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the
>>>>> neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing
>>>>> history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to look
>>>>> the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never forget
>>>>> that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the 
>>>>> modern
>>>>> politics of that era.
>>>>
>>>> People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of those
>>>> people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues
>>>> or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew growing
>>>> up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual
>>>> reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and put
>>>> more effort into teaching the history behind their erection.
>>>>
>>>> Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people forget
>>>> what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after
>>>> leaving school.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong.
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in
>>>> the hopes that we don't repeat them.
>>>
>>> A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so obvious 
>>> a solution that you have to wonder if both sides vehemently oppose it.
>>
>>
>> We don't need statues to learn history.
> 
> In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it...

Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are fine 
people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the tongue 
....because Trump simply isn't suicidal.  And, trying to indict him on 
such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones.