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Path: ...!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Fuld" <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 04:33:11 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <v5qn67$c1dr$1@dont-email.me> References: <s7r87j1c3u6mim0db3ccbdvknvtjr4anu3@4ax.com> <e4f7278a5ff4e0b488306ae43aac8135@www.novabbs.org> <v5nbfo$3hdrc$1@dont-email.me> <v5o6jr$37jie$1@dont-email.me> <v5pjcc$25j5$1@gal.iecc.com> <v5q6qm$5fhe$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 06:33:11 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="654a1831c01f9f66d69c6db8106c14a9"; logging-data="394683"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/Wo1O9VMecL9vEec38wJyZvftKxURKrHU=" User-Agent: XanaNews/1.21-f3fb89f (x86; Portable ISpell) Cancel-Lock: sha1:mWSQ1mkI+stPuOC1DsGJNHslyHs= Bytes: 2306 Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote: > On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 18:22:04 -0000 (UTC), John Levine wrote: > > > ... more often than not locate I/O is faster and easier. > > Given all the caveats and restrictions, “easier” is not how I would > describe it. Again, it depends. For COBOL, you didn't have to specify anything. The compiler set up everything for you for you, and it "just worked". > > But perhaps we’re talking at cross-purposes. If Mitch did his TSS and > PL/I stuff in the 1970s, while you’re talking about the 1960s, then > that could explain it. By the 1970s, CPU/RAM speeds had improved to > the point where copying records a few hundred bytes at a time between > buffers was not the performance bottleneck; disk I/O was. Yes, but given multiprogramming, even in the 1970s, you would typically have several batch programs running at the same time, so during waits for I/O, another program could use the CPU. But using the CPU to move records meant it couldn't be doing anything else at the same time. -- - Stephen Fuld (e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)