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From: "Adam H. Kerman" <ahk@chinet.com>
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Subject: Re: Rant Men's Clothes
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 16:07:41 -0000 (UTC)
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shawn  <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 00:02:11 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>wrote:
>
>>shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 17:55:06 -0700, anim8rfsk <anim8rfsk@cox.net>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> shawn <nanoflower@notforg.m.a.i.l.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 23:19:46 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am going to rant. I went to a national department store to buy button
>>>>>> down shirts, which I really needed. A year ago, I'd bought several
>>>>>> shirts. They were driving me nuts because only one of the shirts had a
>>>>>> pocket.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I went through all of the shirts for sale in my size. Not a single shirt
>>>>>> had a pocket. Who decreed that men's shirts no longer have pockets?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Then the matter of shoes. I need another pair of gym shoes/running shoes
>>>>>> that fit. I wear them as my regular walking shoe. I have a weird shoe
>>>>>> size, very long and very narrow.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> We have the men's shoe comspiracy in which manufacturers inflate the
>>>>>> shoe size and ignore the shoe size standard.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I saw a large number of shoes offered in my nominal size, so I knew it
>>>>>> was pointless to try them on. They'd be too small.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I bought a pair that was nominally a half size larger. It was too
>>>>>> short.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The pair I bought that was 2 1/2 sizes larger than my nominal shoe size
>>>>>> wasn't too short.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> This is more evidence that the world has moved on from me and I
>>>>>> literally do not fit in. I should just walk to the horizon and fall off
>>>>>> the edge.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Part of the problem is so much comes from China. They both don't use
>>>>> the same standard sizes that we do and may not even stick to the
>>>>> standards that they do have. So if shoes are coming from China you
>>>>> can't be sure which size is going to fit you. Which makes ordering
>>>>> from Amazon an adventure in ordering, testing, sending it back and
>>>>> ordering a larger size in the hopes of finding that Goldilocks pair of
>>>>> shoes.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Normally I would use a 9 1/2 pair of shoes but now that will be too
>>>>> tight. So either my feet have grown longer in the past few years or
>>>>> the Chinese influence has take over so I now wear a size 10.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I used to be a 10 1/2 and now I’m up to 12. If you compare the shoes to
>>>> each other, they seem to be the same size.
>>> 
>>>
>https://www.martelandram.com/blogs/news/it-s-a-fact-that-our-feet-as-a-species-are-getting-bigger
>>> Our feet are getting bigger, increasing by an average of two sizes
>>> over the past four decades, according to the College of Podiatry. The
>>> average men’s shoe size 30 years ago was a 9.5 – it’s now a 10.5. The
>>> difference between a size 9.5 and size 10.5 is not very dramatic,
>>> approximately 8-10mm in length, but you also gain a bit more width
>>> with each size as well – maybe 5mm in overall volume.
>>> 
>>> A size 14 men’s shoe once marked a man out as a giant. Not anymore.
>>> Most high street and designer shoe retailers only stock up to a size
>>> 12 (EU 45), but many savvy specialty shoe retailers now see the
>>> potential for stocking large shoe sizes like 13, 14 and 15 as way to
>>> cater to a more global clientele.
>>> 
>>> There is no solid evolutionary reason or survival advantage for having
>>> bigger feet in the 21st century. To put it bluntly, we are just better
>>> fed and as our bodies are evolving into a larger species, our feet
>>> will grow to accommodate our larger frames.
>>> 
>>> The main issue here is that most people try to squeeze into the same
>>> size shoe for their entire adult lives. The concept of keeping a pair
>>> of shoes for 10 or 20 years still baffles us here at Martel+Ram. We
>>> prefer to evolve and change with the times and therefore specialise in
>>> large shoe sizes for men.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Then there is this comment from TALL sub-reddit on Reddit. (lol)
>>> 
>>> [–]ponchoacademy5'11" | 181 cm[??] 2 points 8 months ago 
>>> 
>>> It could also be shoe sizing thats changed... Ive been 5'11 since I
>>> was 13...always wore a size 9....at some point it changed to
>>> 10....then 11...and nowadays if a size 12 is available, thats likely
>>> the one that will fit me.
>>> 
>>> I had a pair of sandals that I got from a German neighbor, her mom
>>> sent them to her and she didnt want them, so offered them to me since
>>> we wore the same size..I was around 22yo at the time. Checked the size
>>> on them...42 Euro.
>>> 
>>> Of shoes that have both US and Euro sizes listed...regardless of the
>>> US size...all were 42 Euro. Im still a 42 Euro...Im in my mid 40s now
>>> btw for reference...and my foot size hasnt changed at all. US sizing
>>> just has no standard, and is all over the place through time and
>>> depending on brand.
>>> 
>>> Thats also why its so common to see reviews that a 9 runs small or
>>> large, or usually Im a size 8 but I had to buy a size 10. Its not
>>> based on any actual measurement...US sizes for clothes and shoes are
>>> incredibly arbitrary and changes all the time.
>>> 
>>> Thats not to say you havent changed over time...just something to
>>> consider that may be a factor.
>>> 
>>
>>Interesting read, thanks
>
>It makes it clear there is no consistent clear answer. Because while
>feet may be getting bigger on average that shouldn't change the shoe
>sizes. Now the feet getting bigger as we age could be a real issue.
>Also the fact that shoe sizes between various manufacturers aren't the
>same could be the issue.

Shoe sizes vary between production lines of the same manufacturer.

It's a conspiracy.