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Subject: Re: Snopes Finally Debunks Left-Wing Claim of "Very Fine People" in
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 12:29:30 -0400
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On 6/30/2024 6:55 AM, trotsky wrote:
> On 6/29/24 12:15 PM, moviePig wrote:
>> On 6/29/2024 1:01 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>> On 6/29/2024 12:22 PM, trotsky wrote:
>>>> On 6/28/24 5:22 PM, moviePig wrote:
>>>>> On 6/28/2024 5:10 PM, shawn wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 28 Jun 2024 19:39:52 -0000 (UTC), "Adam H. Kerman"
>>>>>> <ahk@chinet.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BTR1701 <atropos@mac.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's seven years after the fact and the damage has long since 
>>>>>>>> been done, but
>>>>>>>> the left-wing fact checkers at Snopes have finally come out and 
>>>>>>>> admitted the
>>>>>>>> whole claim that Trump called neo-Nazis "very fine people" was a 
>>>>>>>> hoax. I have
>>>>>>>> no idea why, but credit where it's due, I suppose?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eh
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's another example of the more Trump talked, the more he buried
>>>>>>> himself. There was no way for him to win. He should have ignored 
>>>>>>> it, or
>>>>>>> limited his comments to condemning the murder.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't put the "let's go beat up Nazis" counterprotestors on a high
>>>>>>> moral plane. As far as I could tell, the protestors on both sides 
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> pretty low morals.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've personally objected to the removal of Civil War monuments 
>>>>>>> making
>>>>>>> the generals god-like, but MY reason is rather different than the
>>>>>>> neo-Nazis: I don't think the modern generation should be re-writing
>>>>>>> history. A past generation erected those monuments and we need to 
>>>>>>> look
>>>>>>> the ugliness of American history square in the face so we never 
>>>>>>> forget
>>>>>>> that Civil War generals were honored by certain Americans for the 
>>>>>>> modern
>>>>>>> politics of that era.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People are worried about those statues glorifying the actions of 
>>>>>> those
>>>>>> people. I don't think the reasons behind the erecting of the statues
>>>>>> or the timing is brought up that often. Certainly I never knew 
>>>>>> growing
>>>>>> up the time frame for the erecting of the statues or the actual
>>>>>> reasons behind it. It would be better to have kept the statues and 
>>>>>> put
>>>>>> more effort into teaching the history behind their erection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not that I think it would change things as it seems most people 
>>>>>> forget
>>>>>> what little bit of history they get taught in school not long after
>>>>>> leaving school.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I despite prettying up history. Trump was still wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Agreed. History is full of ugly moments that are best remembered in
>>>>>> the hopes that we don't repeat them.
>>>>>
>>>>> A descriptive plaque with any such statue would seem to be so 
>>>>> obvious a solution that you have to wonder if both sides vehemently 
>>>>> oppose it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don't need statues to learn history.
>>>
>>> In fact, these statues seem to be about forgetting it...
>>
>> Also: my point is that, even if Trump had said verbatim "Nazis are 
>> fine people", it'd be defensible as a (non-Freudian) slip of the 
>> tongue ...because Trump simply isn't suicidal.  And, trying to indict 
>> him on such weak claims only undercuts the many strong ones.
> 
> None of what you said has anything to do with the facts in evidence.

The fact is that even if there were a video of Trump saying "Nazis are 
fine people" (which, afaik, there isn't) it would beggar plausibility.