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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Cursitor Doom <cd999666@notformail.com> Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design Subject: Re: Omega Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 16:38:40 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 168 Message-ID: <v5s1mg$jlc5$1@dont-email.me> References: <gi228j9kv4ijggtjuitbs1ll5rf99p44cb@4ax.com> <732df2c1-5fb2-61f2-ba91-dda25b10fd72@electrooptical.net> <v5rnte$htga$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 18:38:41 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="8b426f2698f0ff64653f741fc4ed806c"; logging-data="644485"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18LDfY83O0gZ81gMkmJZXGqEQa7pzwbfgM=" User-Agent: Pan/0.149 (Bellevue; 4c157ba) Cancel-Lock: sha1:iUe8hZTuy0zWcAkOSsC8+mDBlxQ= Bytes: 7679 On Sun, 30 Jun 2024 13:51:42 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs wrote: > Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote: >> On 2024-06-30 03:44, Cursitor Doom wrote: >>> Gentlemen, >>> >>> For more decades than I care to remember, I've been using formulae >>> such as Xc= 1/2pifL, Xl=2pifC, Fo=1/2pisqrtLC and such like without >>> even giving a thought as to how omega gets involved in so many aspects >>> of RF. BTW, that's a lower-case, small omega meaning >>> 2*pi*the-frequency-of-interest rather than the large Omega which is >>> already reserved for Ohms. How does it keep cropping up? What's so >>> special about the constant 6.283 and from what is it derived? >>> Just curious... >>> >>> >> As an old colleague of mine from grad school would say, "It just comes >> out in the math." ;) >> >> The 2*pi factor comes from the time domain / frequency domain >> conversion, and the basic behavior of linear differential equations >> with constant coefficients. (That's magic.(*)) For now we'll just talk >> about LR circuits and pulses. >> >> A 1-second pulse (time domain) has an equivalent width of 1 Hz >> (frequency domain, including negative frequencies). That's pretty >> intuitive, and shows that seconds and cycles per second are in some >> sense the same 'size'. The two scale inversely, e.g. a 1-ms pulse has >> an equivalent width of 1 kHz, also pretty intuitive. (Equivalent width >> is the mathematical quantity for which this 1-Hz/1-s inverse relation >> holds exactly, independent of the shape of the waveform.) >> >> Moving gently towards the frequency domain, we have the ideas of >> resistance and reactance. Resistance is defined by >> >> V = IR, (1) >> >> independent of both time and frequency. Actual resistors generally >> behave very much that way, over some reasonable range of frequencies >> and power levels. Either V or I can be taken as the independent >> variable, i.e. the one corresponding to the dial setting on the power >> supply, and the equation gives you the other (dependent) variable. >> >> A 1-Hz sine wave of unit amplitude at frequency f is given by >> >> I = sin(2 pi f t), (2) >> >> and the reactance of an inductance L is >> >> X = 2 pi f L. (3) >> >> The reactance is analogous to resistance, except that since inductance >> couples to dI/dt rather than I. From the definition of inductance, >> >> V = L dI/dt. (4) >> >> Plugging (2) into (4), you get >> >> V = L dI/dt = L * (2 pi f) cos(2 pi f t) = X_L cos(2 pi f t), (5) >> >> where X_L is the inductive reactance. >> >> We see that the voltage dropped by the inductance is phase shifted by >> 1/4 cycle. Since the cosine reaches its peak at 0, where the current >> (the independent variable) is just going positive, we can say that the >> voltage waveform is _advanced_ by a quarter cycle, i.e. that the >> voltage is doing what the imposed current was doing a quarter cycle >> previously. (This seems like a fine point, but it's crucial to keeping >> the sign of the phase shift right, especially when you're a >> physics/engineering amphibian like me--the two disciplines use opposite >> sign conventions.) >> >> Besides the phase shift, the voltage across the inductance has an extra >> factor of 2 pi f. This is often written as a Greek lowercase omega, >> which for all you slipshod HTML-mode types is ω = 2πf. >> >> Writing the sine wave as >> >> I = sin(ωt) (6) >> >> is faster, but the factor of 2 pi in amplitude keeps coming up, which >> it inescapably must, and it doesn't even really simplify the math much. >> >> For instance, if we apply a 1-V step function across a series RL with a >> time constant >> >> tau = L/R = 1 second, (7) >> >> the voltage on the resistor is >> >> V = 1-exp(-t). (8) >> >> In the frequency domain, the phase shift makes things a bit more >> complicated. If we use our nice real-valued sinusoidal current >> waveform (6) that we can see on a scope, then (after a small flurry of >> math), the voltage on the resistor comes out as >> >> V = sin(t - arctan(omega L/R)) / sqrt(1 + (omega L / R)**2). (9) >> >> This is because sines and cosines actually are sums of components of >> both positive and negative frequency, and which don't behave the same >> way when you differentiate them: >> >> sin(omega t) = 1/2 * (exp(j omega t) - exp(-j omega t)) (10) >> >> and >> >> cos(omega t) = 1/2 * (exp(j omega t) + exp(-j omega t)). (11) >> >> By switching to complex notation, and making a gentlemen's agreement to >> take the real part of everything before we start predicting actual >> measurable quantities, the math gets much simpler. Our sinusoidal >> input voltage becomes >> >> Vin = exp(j omega t) (12) >> >> and the voltage across the resistor is just the voltage divider thing: >> >> V/Vin = R / (R + j omega L). (13) >> >> At low frequencies, the resistance dominates and the inductance doesn't >> do anything much, just a small phase shift >> >> theta ~= - j omega L/R. >> >> At high frequencies, the inductance dominates. In the middle, the two >> effects become comparable at a frequency >> >> omega0 = R/L. >> >> At that frequency, the phase shift is -45 degrees and the amplitude is >> down by 1/sqrt(2) (-3 dB) and the power dissipated in the resistor >> falls to half of its DC value. >> >> If we're using the series LR as a lowpass filter, that's the frequency >> that divides the passband, where the signal mostly gets through, from >> the stopband, where it mostly doesn't. >> >> So when we think in the time domain, a 1-ohm/1-henry LR circuit >> responds in about a second, whereas in the frequency domain, its >> bandwidth rolls off at omega = 1, i.e. at 1/(2 pi) Hz. >> >> With sinusoidal waveforms, we can think of 1 second corresponding to 1 >> radian per second, whereas with pulses, a 1 second pulse has a >> 1-Hz-wide spectrum (counting negative frequencies). >> >> Thing is, a sine wave varies smoothly and goes through a much more >> complicated evolution (positive to negative and back) within a cycle, >> so it just takes longer, by a factor that turns out to be 2*pi. >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs >> >> >> (*) Kipling, "How the Rhinoceros got his skin" >> >> > Belay that last bit—it’s exactly backwards. I’ll fix it when I get back > from church. > > Cheers > > Phil Hobbs Jeez, Phil. That's not just a follow-up, it's practically a treatise! Thanks for taking all that trouble. It's going to take quite some digesting!