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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: "Stephen Fuld" <SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid> Newsgroups: comp.arch Subject: Re: ancient OS history, ARM is sort of channeling the IBM 360 Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 17:51:01 -0000 (UTC) Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 31 Message-ID: <v5s5u5$ki8d$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5s173$jl70$1@dont-email.me> <memo.20240630183839.956d@jgd.cix.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 19:51:02 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="654a1831c01f9f66d69c6db8106c14a9"; logging-data="674061"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/iYCAcfRA7Ln04FpMJh3C44p+Fuy/Rk8Q=" User-Agent: XanaNews/1.21-f3fb89f (x86; Portable ISpell) Cancel-Lock: sha1:WJBRv9Qw2hfrEqUgYcr4aMK7Giw= Bytes: 1925 John Dallman wrote: > In article <v5s173$jl70$1@dont-email.me>, SFuld@alumni.cmu.edu.invalid > (Stephen Fuld) wrote: > > > John Dallman wrote: > > > > Virtual memory was pretty new technology at the time, and > > > required a disk or drum. The central idea of /360 was having > > > the same ISA across a wide range of machines, and virtual > > > memory wasn't affordable at the low end at the time, AFAICS. > > > > But IIRC even low end S/360s required a disk, at least to IPL(boot) > > from. > > Are you sure? Per Wikipedia, the lowest-end real S/360, the Model 30, > could run with only card equipment, running BPS, or with only tape > drives, under TOS. > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360_Model_30#System_software> You, and John are right. I got that wrong and apologize for doing so. -- - Stephen Fuld (e-mail address disguised to prevent spam)