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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!3.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2024 22:25:25 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 44 Message-ID: <v5t7j5$tfnv$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5pbjf$55h$1@dont-email.me> <v5r5q9$ekvf$1@dont-email.me> <v5s40h$jvgt$1@dont-email.me> <v5sbpt$1kfbr$2@i2pn2.org> <v5sjsa$msl0$1@dont-email.me> <v5skc9$1kfbr$7@i2pn2.org> <v5smuk$n7a2$1@dont-email.me> <v5sorr$1kfbr$10@i2pn2.org> <v5sp4v$nnko$1@dont-email.me> <v5sr4t$1kfbq$1@i2pn2.org> <v5srjn$o1o0$1@dont-email.me> <v5ssaq$1kfbq$2@i2pn2.org> <v5st66$o7ss$1@dont-email.me> <v5su4q$1kfbr$11@i2pn2.org> <v5sv8o$ogo5$1@dont-email.me> <v5t0h8$1kfbr$12@i2pn2.org> <v5t1af$omq9$1@dont-email.me> <v5t3h4$1kfbr$13@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 05:25:25 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f83257e6e5a87f489aa8241c55498376"; logging-data="966399"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1+ShPx0dhfBS4wonglXDqSe" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:aYzo9cjLFwEZPjw9MuPClqJqP0c= In-Reply-To: <v5t3h4$1kfbr$13@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3244 On 6/30/2024 9:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/30/24 9:38 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/30/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/30/24 9:03 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/30/2024 7:44 PM, Richard >>> Damon wrote: >>>> >>>> I had to dumb this down because even the smartest >>>> people here were overwhelmed: >>>> >>>> The call from DDD to HHH(DDD) when N steps of DDD are >>>> correctly emulated by any pure function x86 emulator >>>> HHH at machine address 0000217a cannot possibly return. >>> >>> But that is NOT the "behavior of the input", and CAN NOT BE SO DEFINED. >>> >> >> I don't understand why you so stupidly lie about this. >> >> _DDD() >> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >> [00002183] c3 ret >> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >> >> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an >> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted. >> > > And, since the HHH that DDD calls will abort is emulation, it WILL > return to DDD and it will return also. > How can stopping the emulation the first four instructions of DDD possibly do anything besides cause them to stop? -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer