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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> Newsgroups: sci.lang,alt.usage.english Subject: Re: "a Pair of Panties" ????? Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 08:37:38 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 28 Message-ID: <v5tmc2$vf80$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5t8mv$tk1f$1@dont-email.me> <v5tgf1$ukmm$1@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 09:37:38 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="5d121e69459fc7bb77b0da34464eae37"; logging-data="1031424"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX1/NBnUnnnayKNSGxRBRpSv1" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:lpHAfwJ+HyEQoVTk07oqV2ZXvz8= In-Reply-To: <v5tgf1$ukmm$1@dont-email.me> Content-Language: en-GB, fr-FR Bytes: 2393 Le 01/07/2024 à 06:56, Hibou a écrit : > Le 01/07/2024 à 04:44, HenHanna a écrit : >> >> A pair of pants, or A pair of trousers >> >> ... ok because each Pair kinda looks like [2 pipes]. >> >> ...but... >> "a Pair of Panties" ????? > > There appears to be a class of things that exist only in the plural - a > pair of tweezers, scissors, pliers, sunglasses... trousers, underpants, > knickers, tights... - things that bifurcate or are made up of two bits. > I suppose the briefer garments inherited the plural from longer ones > (though a few minutes' searching yields no support for this; briefs were > apparently in use in Ancient Egypt). [...] According to the OED, 'pantalon' (Italian-French) goes back to the comic character Pantaloon, who wore a kind of mediaeval onesie (~1592 onwards in English). With the sense of 'trousers', and usually in the plural, it goes back to ~1661. 'Panties' for menswear goes back to ~1845 ("now rare"), for women's underpants to ~1904. "As she laid herself out to stride, the other fellows used to get a fine exhibition of absolutely naked girl from the waist down (for panties were the rare exception, and not the rule then)" - 'Sydney Sportsman', 1904/08/24.