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Path: ...!weretis.net!feeder8.news.weretis.net!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 07:53:26 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 56 Message-ID: <v5u8s7$12udb$4@dont-email.me> References: <v5pbjf$55h$1@dont-email.me> <v5r5q9$ekvf$1@dont-email.me> <v5s40h$jvgt$1@dont-email.me> <v5sbpt$1kfbr$2@i2pn2.org> <v5sjsa$msl0$1@dont-email.me> <v5skc9$1kfbr$7@i2pn2.org> <v5smuk$n7a2$1@dont-email.me> <v5sorr$1kfbr$10@i2pn2.org> <v5sp4v$nnko$1@dont-email.me> <v5sr4t$1kfbq$1@i2pn2.org> <v5srjn$o1o0$1@dont-email.me> <v5ssaq$1kfbq$2@i2pn2.org> <v5st66$o7ss$1@dont-email.me> <v5su4q$1kfbr$11@i2pn2.org> <v5sv8o$ogo5$1@dont-email.me> <v5t0h8$1kfbr$12@i2pn2.org> <v5t1af$omq9$1@dont-email.me> <v5t3h4$1kfbr$13@i2pn2.org> <v5t7j5$tfnv$1@dont-email.me> <v5u2o7$1mj7k$2@i2pn2.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 14:53:27 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f83257e6e5a87f489aa8241c55498376"; logging-data="1145259"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX191iH4niImnSnYWZnM0AYwO" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:61xErbMY1f7kXBlYh7EwRxHGOxo= In-Reply-To: <v5u2o7$1mj7k$2@i2pn2.org> Content-Language: en-US Bytes: 3685 On 7/1/2024 6:08 AM, Richard Damon wrote: > On 6/30/24 11:25 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/30/2024 9:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>> On 6/30/24 9:38 PM, olcott wrote: >>>> On 6/30/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote: >>>>> On 6/30/24 9:03 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/30/2024 7:44 PM, Richard >>>>> Damon wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I had to dumb this down because even the smartest >>>>>> people here were overwhelmed: >>>>>> >>>>>> The call from DDD to HHH(DDD) when N steps of DDD are >>>>>> correctly emulated by any pure function x86 emulator >>>>>> HHH at machine address 0000217a cannot possibly return. >>>>> >>>>> But that is NOT the "behavior of the input", and CAN NOT BE SO >>>>> DEFINED. >>>>> >>>> >>>> I don't understand why you so stupidly lie about this. >>>> >>>> _DDD() >>>> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >>>> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >>>> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >>>> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >>>> [00002183] c3 ret >>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >>>> >>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an >>>> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted. >>>> >>> >>> And, since the HHH that DDD calls will abort is emulation, it WILL >>> return to DDD and it will return also. >>> >> >> How can stopping the emulation the first four >> instructions of DDD possibly do anything besides >> cause them to stop? >> > > The emulation stops, and the emulating behavor of HHH stops, but not the > behavior of the input. > While your hand is still in the cash register stealing the money you say there is no hand and there is no money. -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer