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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: 197 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HHH
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 09:35:54 -0500
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On 7/1/2024 9:27 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 01.jul.2024 om 14:57 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/1/2024 3:27 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 30.jun.2024 om 19:25 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 6/30/2024 3:42 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> No, I mean: why does the inner simulator repeat instead of aborting,
>>>>> the same as the outer one does?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Technically it is called detecting a repeating state.
>>>>> Yeah, I know. My point is: all recursive calls both enter and detect
>>>>> a repeating state.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The inner ones always see one less execution trace
>>>> than the next outer one, thus could only meet their
>>>> abort criteria after they have already been aborted.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which indicates that they were aborted too soon, showing that the 
>>> emulation was incorrect.
>>
>> Unless the outer HHH aborts its simulation after some
>> fixed number of correct emulations or none of the HHH
>> ever aborts and HHH never stops running.
> 
> But that does not make the result of the abort correct.


> Not aborting will loop infinitely. 

     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted

THEN H IS NECESSARILY CORRECT TO ABORT
THEN H IS NECESSARILY CORRECT TO ABORT
THEN H IS NECESSARILY CORRECT TO ABORT

> Aborting will abort too soon. Both 
> cases are incorrect.
> 

It doesn't seem like you care about the truth.

>>
>> There is no passing the guy in front of you if you both
>> continue to run at the exact same speed, he will always
>> be ahead of you.
>>
> 
> But shooting his tyres is also incorrect.

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