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Path: ...!eternal-september.org!feeder3.eternal-september.org!news.eternal-september.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> Newsgroups: comp.theory,sci.logic Subject: Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the semantics of the x86 language Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 09:50:42 -0500 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 46 Message-ID: <v5ufo2$14agu$1@dont-email.me> References: <v5pbjf$55h$1@dont-email.me> <v5r5q9$ekvf$1@dont-email.me> <v5s40h$jvgt$1@dont-email.me> <v5tpi7$vsqr$3@dont-email.me> <v5u8g0$12udb$2@dont-email.me> <v5ueur$12qkb$3@dont-email.me> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 16:50:43 +0200 (CEST) Injection-Info: dont-email.me; posting-host="f83257e6e5a87f489aa8241c55498376"; logging-data="1190430"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@eternal-september.org"; posting-account="U2FsdGVkX18tbeeNxGtrObmFf4/WTpet" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Cancel-Lock: sha1:lHFVsjOHYbmcL6ytJh9UTLKT6JA= Content-Language: en-US In-Reply-To: <v5ueur$12qkb$3@dont-email.me> Bytes: 2955 On 7/1/2024 9:37 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Op 01.jul.2024 om 14:46 schreef olcott: >> On 7/1/2024 3:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: >> >> _DDD() >> [00002172] 55 push ebp ; housekeeping >> [00002173] 8bec mov ebp,esp ; housekeeping >> [00002175] 6872210000 push 00002172 ; push DDD >> [0000217a] e853f4ffff call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD) >> [0000217f] 83c404 add esp,+04 >> [00002182] 5d pop ebp >> [00002183] c3 ret >> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183] >> >> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an >> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted. >> Once aborted the DDD emulated by HHH immediately stops. >> >> At no point in this emulation does the call from DDD >> correctly emulated by HHH to HHH(DDD) ever return. >> >> You can understand this or fail to understand this >> disagreement is flat out incorrect. > > I understand it, but that does not contradict that the abort is one > cycle too soon, which makes it incorrect. On 7/1/2024 9:27 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote: > Not aborting will loop infinitely. That you disagree with your own self proves that you are wrong. If it is ever the case that > Not aborting will loop infinitely. THIS PROVES THAT ABORTING IS NECESSARILY CORRECT If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never stop running unless aborted then IT IS 100% COMPLETELY CORRECT TO ABORT -- Copyright 2024 Olcott "Talent hits a target no one else can hit; Genius hits a target no one else can see." Arthur Schopenhauer