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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: 197 page execution trace of DDD correctly simulated by HHH
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 10:15:18 -0500
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On 7/1/2024 10:02 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 01.jul.2024 om 16:35 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/1/2024 9:27 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 01.jul.2024 om 14:57 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/1/2024 3:27 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>> Op 30.jun.2024 om 19:25 schreef olcott:
>>>>>> On 6/30/2024 3:42 AM, joes wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, I mean: why does the inner simulator repeat instead of aborting,
>>>>>>> the same as the outer one does?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Technically it is called detecting a repeating state.
>>>>>>> Yeah, I know. My point is: all recursive calls both enter and detect
>>>>>>> a repeating state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The inner ones always see one less execution trace
>>>>>> than the next outer one, thus could only meet their
>>>>>> abort criteria after they have already been aborted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Which indicates that they were aborted too soon, showing that the 
>>>>> emulation was incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> Unless the outer HHH aborts its simulation after some
>>>> fixed number of correct emulations or none of the HHH
>>>> ever aborts and HHH never stops running.
>>>
>>> But that does not make the result of the abort correct.
>>
>>
>>> Not aborting will loop infinitely. 
>>
>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>      stop running unless aborted
>>
>> THEN H IS NECESSARILY CORRECT TO ABORT
>> THEN H IS NECESSARILY CORRECT TO ABORT
>> THEN H IS NECESSARILY CORRECT TO ABORT
> 
> It is inevitable to abort, but that does not make the simulation 
> correct, because:
> 

Of every possibility that can possibly be is is absolutely
not inevitable to abort.

DDD correctly emulated by HHH is either aborted at some point
or crashes due to out-of-memory error.

You just aren't very good at these things are you?

>>
>>> Aborting will abort too soon. Both cases are incorrect.
>>>
>>
>> It doesn't seem like you care about the truth.
>>
>>>>
>>>> There is no passing the guy in front of you if you both
>>>> continue to run at the exact same speed, he will always
>>>> be ahead of you.
>>>>
>>>
>>> But shooting his tyres is also incorrect.
>>
> 

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