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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: People are still trying to get away with disagreeing with the
 semantics of the x86 language
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 10:20:20 -0500
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On 7/1/2024 10:12 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
> Op 01.jul.2024 om 16:50 schreef olcott:
>> On 7/1/2024 9:37 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>> Op 01.jul.2024 om 14:46 schreef olcott:
>>>> On 7/1/2024 3:32 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>>>
>>>> _DDD()
>>>> [00002172] 55               push ebp      ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002173] 8bec             mov ebp,esp   ; housekeeping
>>>> [00002175] 6872210000       push 00002172 ; push DDD
>>>> [0000217a] e853f4ffff       call 000015d2 ; call HHH(DDD)
>>>> [0000217f] 83c404           add esp,+04
>>>> [00002182] 5d               pop ebp
>>>> [00002183] c3               ret
>>>> Size in bytes:(0018) [00002183]
>>>>
>>>> DDD is correctly emulated by HHH which calls an
>>>> emulated HHH(DDD) to repeat the process until aborted.
>>>> Once aborted the DDD emulated by HHH immediately stops.
>>>>
>>>> At no point in this emulation does the call from DDD
>>>> correctly emulated by HHH to HHH(DDD) ever return.
>>>>
>>>> You can understand this or fail to understand this
>>>> disagreement is flat out incorrect.
>>>
>>> I understand it, but that does not contradict that the abort is one 
>>> cycle too soon, which makes it incorrect.
>>
>> On 7/1/2024 9:27 AM, Fred. Zwarts wrote:
>>  > Not aborting will loop infinitely.
>>
>> That you disagree with your own self proves that you are wrong.
> 
> I did not disagree with myself. It is only you inability to understand 
> simple facts that :
> It is not: Either aborting or not-aborting is incorrect,
> but: Both aborting and not-aborting are incorrect.
> Therefore, proving that not-aborting is incorrect does not prove that 
> aborting is correct.
> You never found an error in this reasoning, but only repeat that 
> not-aborting is incorrect.
> 
> Somehow you seem to think that from "not-aborting is incorrect" it 
> follows that "aborting is correct".
> 
> Try to think a little bit. Both are incorrect.
> 
>>
>> If it is ever the case that
>>  > Not aborting will loop infinitely.
>> THIS PROVES THAT ABORTING IS NECESSARILY CORRECT
>>
>>      If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
>>      until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
>>      stop running unless aborted then
>>
>> IT IS 100% COMPLETELY CORRECT TO ABORT
>>
> 
> It must abort to terminate the loop if the simulated HHH would not 
> terminate, but this simulated HHH does return after N+1 cycles and 
> therefore DDD will return, so here no abort is needed.
> Abort is only needed if simulating an infinite recursion, not a N-cycle 
> recursion.
> 

You are simply not bright enough to sufficiently understand this
criteria.

     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then

void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}

void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
}

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}

int main()
{
   HHH(Infinite_Loop);
   HHH(Infinite_Recursion);
   HHH(DDD);
}

HHH is correct to abort all three.

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