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From: olcott <polcott333@gmail.com>
Newsgroups: comp.theory
Subject: Re: olcott is still disagreeing with the semantics of simulation
Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 11:03:03 -0500
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On 7/1/2024 10:57 AM, joes wrote:
> Am Mon, 01 Jul 2024 07:49:54 -0500 schrieb olcott:
>> On 7/1/2024 6:08 AM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>> On 6/30/24 10:27 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>> On 6/30/2024 9:16 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>> On 6/30/24 9:38 PM, olcott wrote:
>>>>>> On 6/30/2024 8:24 PM, Richard Damon wrote:
>>>>>>> On 6/30/24 9:03 PM, olcott wrote: >> On 6/30/2024 7:44 PM, Richard
>>>>>>> Damon wrote:
> 
>>>>>>>> The call from DDD to HHH(DDD) when N steps of DDD are correctly
>>>>>>>> emulated by any pure function x86 emulator HHH at machine address
>>>>>>>> 0000217a cannot possibly return.
>>>>>>> But that is NOT the "behavior of the input", and CAN NOT BE SO
>>>>>>> DEFINED.
> 
>>>>>> DDD is  emulated by HHH which calls an emulated HHH(DDD) to
>>>>>> repeat the process until aborted.
>>>>> And, since the HHH that DDD calls will abort is emulation, it WILL
>>>>> return to DDD and it will return also.
> Right.
> 
>>> The emulation stops, and the emulating behavor of HHH stops, but not
>>> the behavior of the input.
>> When DDD is no longer being emulated all of its behavior stops. DDD is
>> the input.
> Again: emulating does not change what the input does of its own. Aborting
> an emulation is premature, as the input does not contain an abort.
> 

*The title of this post is a lie*
*The title of this post is a lie*
*The title of this post is a lie*

void Infinite_Loop()
{
   HERE: goto HERE;
}

void Infinite_Recursion()
{
   Infinite_Recursion();
}

void DDD()
{
   HHH(DDD);
}

int main()
{
   HHH(Infinite_Loop);
   HHH(Infinite_Recursion);
   HHH(DDD);
}

*Each one of these cases meets this criteria*

<MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>
     If simulating halt decider H correctly simulates its input D
     until H correctly determines that its simulated D would never
     stop running unless aborted then

     H can abort its simulation of D and correctly report that D
     specifies a non-halting sequence of configurations.
</MIT Professor Sipser agreed to ONLY these verbatim words 10/13/2022>

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