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Path: ...!2.eu.feeder.erje.net!feeder.erje.net!feeds.news.ox.ac.uk!news.ox.ac.uk!nntp-feed.chiark.greenend.org.uk!ewrotcd!news.eyrie.org!beagle.ediacara.org!.POSTED.beagle.ediacara.org!not-for-mail From: Ernest Major <{$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk> Newsgroups: talk.origins Subject: Re: Molecular Dating: The turd that won't go away Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2024 20:54:07 +0100 Organization: A noiseless patient Spider Lines: 35 Sender: news%beagle.ediacara.org Approved: moderator@beagle.ediacara.org Message-ID: <v5v1gu$17l52$1@dont-email.me> References: <b8GdnSut7s8w3-P7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <tmidnYu6jZOe2uL7nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <OuqdnUawf_-04-L7nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <14186b44-84ba-4568-bed5-42fd6a827306@gmail.com> <le9t2oFft45U1@mid.individual.net> <zvidncHzH5okgx37nZ2dnZfqlJydnZ2d@giganews.com> <v5pjgu$1lpg$1@dont-email.me> <HoKcnThf5_0mER37nZ2dnZfqlJ-dnZ2d@giganews.com> <i3t18jd12ignrsn7q0tk0l7v3g9botkrc1@4ax.com> <77ca9fa4517feb41366823650a970a17@www.novabbs.com> Reply-To: {$to$}@meden.demon.co.uk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Injection-Info: beagle.ediacara.org; posting-host="beagle.ediacara.org:3.132.105.89"; logging-data="75330"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@beagle.ediacara.org" User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org Cancel-Lock: sha1:C98cK+xgKkoiuLKD8XISt6dwoXw= Return-Path: <news@eternal-september.org> X-Original-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org Delivered-To: talk-origins@ediacara.org id B75C022987A; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 15:54:12 -0400 (EDT) by beagle.ediacara.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 966BE229878 for <talk-origins@ediacara.org>; Mon, 01 Jul 2024 15:54:10 -0400 (EDT) id 42B275DC6C; Mon, 1 Jul 2024 19:54:10 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: talk-origins@moderators.isc.org by mod-relay-1.kamens.us (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 225435DC4B for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 1 Jul 2024 19:54:10 +0000 (UTC) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (P-256) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.eternal-september.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CF0655F7E1 for <talk-origins@moderators.isc.org>; Mon, 1 Jul 2024 19:54:07 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: name/CF0655F7E1; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=meden.demon.co.uk id 45D93DC01A9; Mon, 1 Jul 2024 21:54:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Injection-Date: Mon, 01 Jul 2024 21:54:07 +0200 (CEST) X-Auth-Sender: U2FsdGVkX19jg+w3dJ0DAYWMlI5ma2pkisTXL8+g1H8xtnyHFYCgpmMqFpBBaICq7/GCIvEOiWdEKAKJDAaf/g== In-Reply-To: <77ca9fa4517feb41366823650a970a17@www.novabbs.com> Content-Language: en-GB FORGED_MUA_MOZILLA,HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS, RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_RPBL_BLOCKED,RCVD_IN_VALIDITY_SAFE_BLOCKED, SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.6 smtp.eternal-september.org Bytes: 4274 On 01/07/2024 20:11, Burkhard wrote: > Bob Casanova wrote: > >> On Sat, 29 Jun 2024 15:37:47 -0700, the following appeared >> in talk.origins, posted by John Harshman >> <john.harshman@gmail.com>: >> >>> On 6/29/24 11:24 AM, Ernest Major wrote: >>>> On 29/06/2024 15:48, John Harshman wrote: >>>>> Google gives me nothing in a search for "isolation is the engine of >>>>> evolution", unfortunately. You have to wonder why he posts if he's >>>>> that uninterested in being understood. >>>> >>>> Apart from JTEM Google gives me a quotation from an ecotourism guide in >>>> Costa Rica. I don't find it a particularly opaque phrase. If one was to >>>> be more precise one might substitute diversity or cladogenesis for >>>> evolution. In the light of recent mentions of the founder effect in >>>> quoted posts JTEM might be referring to evolutionary innovation, which >>>> is a somewhat more controversial claim. >>>> >>> The question is not what that sentence means but who is supposed to have >>> said it, i.e. the "good doctor". >>> >> Mengele? Moreau? Kevorkian? So many possibilities... >>> > > Shaun Murphy I would have thought > I'm not up on popular culture, but that's what the wisdom of the net told me. -- alias Ernest Major